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Old 10-10-2005, 02:23 PM   #1
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I have couple of question of were the relays are for my trunker poppers is and is there a relay for the high beams. I now what panel the trunk relay is but not sure what positon. My Trunnker popper works some of the time (most it doesn't) I have tested by hookup 12v soucre at the switvh and it worked every time. I am thinking it is bad relay also my highbeams do not work at all light on the dash won't even come on is their relay that controls this. And well I am at does my 92 come with keyless entry
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Trunk:You have applied power at the trunk switch and it worked everytime.. I believe the switch controls the relay and then the power goes to the trunk. Check that switch..it'* more common than an intermittent relay.

Highbeams: Can someone provide him with the diagnostic to check the high beam switch built into the column.
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I have couple of question of were the relays are for my trunker poppers is and is there a relay for the high beams. I now what panel the trunk relay is but not sure what positon. My Trunnker popper works some of the time (most it doesn't) I have tested by hookup 12v soucre at the switvh and it worked every time.
If that'* the case (it works anytime you apply 12 volts to the switch), then your relay is fine, since your switch would be triggering the relay. I _think_ (and I'd have to check the manual to be sure) that there is an interlock in the circuit that prevents the switch from popping the trunk under some circumstances, such as when the car is in Drive. If it won't pop when the engine is running and the vehicle is in Park, then certainly there'* a problem somewhere.

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also my highbeams do not work at all light on the dash won't even come on is their relay that controls this.
Um... I believe so... Again I'd need to check the manual. Aside from that, do you hear a solid *click* from the high-beam switch when you pull back on the turn-signal lever? My feeling is it'* more likely that the switch is broken than the relay.

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It does if you see option code AU0 on the option-code sticker inside your trunk. (You may have Keyless Entry even if you _don't_ have AU0 on the sticker, as it was bundled in with other options in the high-level lines like the SSEi, but I think an SE model would have it listed there, if present.)

You can also try finding the ALDL (diagnostic link) connector under your dashboard, jumpering the lower-left port to the upper-right port, and if the car clunks its locks at you in response, you have Keyless Entry. (The clunk-clunk indicates that you've put it into Learning Mode, for programming it to recognize a new key-ring remote transmitter.)

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Ah I will try for learning mode tommorrow and I have no sticker in the trunk. No Trunk popper
doesn't work if in park. As for the highbeams that part of lever is broken. But If move the rod it does nothing. where is switch for the highbeams at the least it would be point to start check for power. The only thing I am worried about right now is highbeams. Dealer told I would have to pull the steer colmun(That doesn't sound like fun)
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RPO codes are on the spare tire cover. It'll also have your vin number on it. You can check there.
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nope nothing . I have nothing in trunk of any kind of sticker
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nope nothing . I have nothing in trunk of any kind of sticker
No spare tire cover huh? wow..
If the dealer said it'* in teh steering column, then it is most lilely the highbeam switch. It'* not pretty.
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Okay, let'* take these one at a time:

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Ah I will try for learning mode tommorrow and I have no sticker in the trunk.
It should be on the hardboard cover that goes over your spare tire in the floorwell, so that you have a flat trunk under the carpet. So you don't have that big flat cover anymore? Bummer.

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No Trunk popper doesn't work if in park.
You said you're able to pop the trunk if you apply 12 volts to the wire at the door pushbutton, yes? Therefore the regular power supply wire isn't delivering anything to the pushbutton I guess (or else the button itself isn't working properly, which seems unlikely, but you might want to test that). Either you have a blown fuse on the trunk circuit (which is, um... One of two possible locations; see below) or the feed wire to the door pushbutton is broken, probably in the flexy part where it jumps the gap from door frame to door.

The fuse to check is under the dash, either #2 (top row, second from left) if you have the Retained Accessory Power option, or #8 (second row, middle) if you don't. The Retained Accessory Power option is what keeps your accessories (e.g. radio, power windows, sunroof) going after you shut the car off, either for 10 minutes or until somebody opens a door, whichever comes first.

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As for the highbeams that part of lever is broken. But If move the rod it does nothing.
I don't totally follow you here: how much of the lever is broken (or what still works)? What rod are you moving? If you pull back on the entire turn-signal lever, you don't hear/feel any click?

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where is switch for the highbeams at the least it would be point to start check for power.
The switch is mounted on the upper part of the steering column behind the dash. It'* actuated by a plunger and rod mechanism leading down from the turn-signal lever. It sounds like your problem is not with the switch itself, if you're looking at a broken turn-signal lever anyway.

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The only thing I am worried about right now is highbeams. Dealer told I would have to pull the steer colmun(That doesn't sound like fun)
The part that'* not fun is paying the dealer, and I wouldn't say that they need to _pull_ the column; at worst, they might need to drop it for better access to the high-beam switch, which involves removing all of two nuts.

No, wait, I can think of a part that'* even less fun, and that'* that your turn-signal lever is more likely the real problem here, and that needs to come out. That will require pulling the steering wheel (not the entire column), replacing the broken lever mount or whatever it is that'* snapped, and getting it all back together again. At minimum, you need a steering wheel puller and a lock-plate compressor (these are cheap to buy, and Auto Zone will even loan them for free), a manual (do _not_ do this without at least reading through it first), and some patience.

The trickiest part is during reassembly, when at one point you must align several parts all at once, including (most notably) the high-beam actuator plunger, while you get the shift bowl re-seated. I've done this many times but it is not easy, and if you're not good with hand tools and fiddly bits, I would recommend paying a mechanic you trust to do this for you. (Make sure he'* done this before. Swapping entire engines does not count as a useful skill for this.) GM steering column designs haven't changed much over the years and I don't see a need to pay a dealer for this; any experienced service place should be familiar with it.
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No It'* not a fuse of trunker popper is fine and have chased the wiring into the car it is good from door. The door did have broken gorind on it I have fixed that. I tested a copule days ago it is good the fuse. Yes I have plastic cover for the spare but their is nothing on it. Just as not the spare I got orignal was too small to,that has been replaced. As for lever it just oprating the the high beams doesn't work the parts the connect to the rod are missing. Everthing is fine on it. As for test for keyless A was under the weather didn't feel like go out
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No It'* not a fuse of trunker popper is fine and have chased the wiring into the car it is good from door. The door did have broken gorind on it I have fixed that.
Are you saying a broken ground? Okay, that would be good to fix, but it would not affect the trunk popper circuit, as that does not use a ground in the door; power just comes out to the pushbutton, and then goes back again to the trunk via another wire when you press the button in. No ground involvement there.

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I tested a copule days ago it is good the fuse. Yes I have plastic cover for the spare but their is nothing on it. Just as not the spare I got orignal was too small to,that has been replaced.
The sticker is not on the plastic parts of the spare-tire cover; it'* on a big piece of hardboard that covers a large portion of the trunk floor, under the carpet. (I assume there'* no similar label stuck to the underside of the trunk lid, or inside your glove box lid.)

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As for lever it just oprating the the high beams doesn't work the parts the connect to the rod are missing. Everthing is fine on it.
I'm afraid you lost me there, but if the lever is free to move up and down without actually pushing on the actuator rod, I'll bet that the crucial black plastic plunger is either missing or out of position, possibly because somebody took the steering column apart, then didn't get it back together again just right.

It'* kind of hard to miss a part of that size if it'* lying on the floor during reassembly, so I'm going to guess that it _may_ actually have been put back in the column, but went in cockeyed and isn't lined up with the rod. There'* a good chance that if you can arrange a look-see by somebody who'* knowledgeable about how the mechanisms go together, they might get it working again without having to actually replace anything. Kind of hard to tell for sure without opening it up again, unfortunately.

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