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Old 05-18-2004, 11:40 PM   #1
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I have a 95 pont bonn and last year while at work on the graveyard shift i had a hell of a short i was trying to light a cig with my cig lighter and it wouldnt work so i had to put it back a few times on the fourth time i put it back smoke started coming from my dash and my inside lights stardted flickering and my headlights turned on so i ran out unplugged the battery and waited a while then later plugged it in and the lights turned back on, this is the start of it ok then the lights wouldn't turn off so i went around the car checking all my electronics found that my auto trunk stopped working lights would flicker then eventually turned off and then started working with the switch, auto lights stopped working and my ignition was stuck on after taking the key out the gauges would stay on like the key was in the on position.

i checked the fuses found the the lighter wasnt burt but the engine or ignition running fuse was so i started the car changed the fuse and when i cut it off and took out the key the car kept running so i took that fuse out now when i use my lights sometimes the auto lights work and then sometimes i have to use the manual switch
i have the pass key 2 system power everything cruise control no elec shift or or performance packages and im pretty sure its a in dash short but evn to this day i unplug the battery or else in a hour my batteries dead the fuel pump still energizes with the ign but the power windows still work if the keys out of the car also trunk light doesnt work
now and i cut the cig lighter out my other acc light still works after rewiring inside lights work and everything else the car just has no sense of being off


recently someone tried to steal my car by breaking the coloumn but the bat was unplugged so after that i plugged it in and tried to start it without a key to make sure the pass key worked and it did no start but it still dont shut off

ok there is no burnt relays under the hood on the firewall a fuse in the car had burt out for the actual running of the car it seems without the fuse the engine starts and stops with the key but with the fuse the car starts but doesnt shut off even if u take the key out and walk away forcing me to remove that fuse the gauges stay on constantly regardless if u open the door or not the inside lights work like they were supposed to the gauges stay on until the car dies and the cig lighter had its own fuse when i looked into the dash the wire for the lighter was fried so i cut connection for the lighter took the fuse out of it and seperated any other wires connected to that wire by pulling that cig lghter wire apart from the rest and another strange thing is that the gauges de energize when the car is off as usual but all the gauge lights parking brake light and so forth stay on but the actual gauges gas,oil,temp,and tach work like regular also no more warning bells or sounds for key in the ignition cause car thinks key is still in and engaged



any help or comments please
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Do you have an aftermarket radio or alarm?
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no i have delco stereo and pass key 2 locking system
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Did your problems happen after they broke your column?
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no before the broken coloumn, that happened recently
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no before the broken coloumn, that happened recently
Please, stick to one topic thread; you posted this already under your "95 bonn electrnics gone wild" Subject ( http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...ic.php?t=18522 ), I responded to you, but we never heard from you again over there.

Let'* try that again...

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recently someone tried to steal my car by breaking the coloumn but the bat was unplugged so after that i plugged it in and tried to start it without a key to make sure the pass key worked and it did no start but it still dont shut off

any help or comments please
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I barely know where to begin... um...

Can you just spell out for us exactly what you've disconnected (I mean stuff that is disconnected right now, so we can eliminate it from the puzzle)? You cut the wire to the lighter, then replaced its fuse, so the interior lights are working again; is that right?

Are there any fuses in the car (including the big ones on the firewall under the hood) that won't stay good, and keep blowing out on you?

Have you pulled the gauge cluster to actually try and eyeball whatever area had the smoke coming out of it? (Exactly where was the smoke coming from; could you tell?)

So far I'm thinking that maybe your Retained Accessory Power module got fried somehow and is not releasing the relay like it'* supposed to. This could explain why your accessories still work when they're supposed to be off (i.e. ten minutes after switching off the car, or until someone opens a door, whichever occurs first)

Can you still start and stop the engine as usual using your key?
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on that post i did reply by editing the original post i never heard from anyone again so made a new one the car still starts after i rebuilt the colomn and shuts off minus a fuse in the fuse box in the car
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on that post i did reply by editing the original post i never heard from anyone again so made a new one
Oh, okay, I get it. Don't reply that way; we won't get alerted that you answered someone'* followup. If you post a separate reply, like you did here, then we all get an alert that an answer has appeared in this topic.

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the car still starts after i rebuilt the colomn
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and shuts off minus a fuse in the fuse box in the car
I'm sorry, you lost me here. Do you mean that it won't stop running until you pull a certain fuse? Which fuse is that?
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The worste part is im not sure the in car listing is faded on the panel cover I believe that its related to the running of the car thou its a engine running related fuse i think .

At first when the short happened i would attempt to start the car the fuse blew I put a new one in then it blew when i turned the ignition on then the 5th time i put the fuse in it lived.
So i started the car then i cut the car off the gauges tried to react but the car continued to run without any reaction to ignition of i took the key out and opened the door and it just kept running so i removed this damn fuse and it shut off then started the car right up again and shut if off it cut like it should.

Thats when i noticed the gauges shut off but the check engine light stays on and if i put the parking brake on that light comes on too theres no lights on bell no buzzer or bell at all and i've read somewhere that the headlights short then it goes to a second circuit to operate after a certain amount of time.

I think thats what happened on the headlights i guess but the key trunk pop stopped working and the ignition is screwy
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The worste part is im not sure the in car listing is faded on the panel cover I believe that its related to the running of the car thou its a engine running related fuse i think .

At first when the short happened i would attempt to start the car the fuse blew I put a new one in then it blew when i turned the ignition on then the 5th time i put the fuse in it lived.
Okay, first of all it will help if we can identify exactly which fuse you're fighting with. Is this one in the fusebox under the dash, or under the hood? Can you tell us which one it is by row and column, maybe? (e.g. second row from the top, second fuse from the left; that kind of thing)

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So i started the car then i cut the car off the gauges tried to react but the car continued to run without any reaction to ignition of i took the key out and opened the door and it just kept running so i removed this damn fuse and it shut off then started the car right up again and shut if off it cut like it should.
So with this fuse _out_, the car will start, run, and stop like it should, but you have no gauges working?

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Thats when i noticed the gauges shut off but the check engine light stays on and if i put the parking brake on that light comes on too theres no lights on bell no buzzer or bell at all
You've got some wiring weirdness there. Does this car have an aftermarket alarm, security system or remote starter of some kind in it? Any mysterious boxes with wires dangling from the dash? Is there a siren under the hood? Any cheesy alarm company stickers on the windows?

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and i've read somewhere that the headlights short then it goes to a second circuit to operate after a certain amount of time.
Um, no, what you may be thinking of is that the headlights are on a circuit breaker instead of a fuse, so that the breaker will try to restore your lights as soon as it cools down, rather than giving you, say, instant darkness at 60 mph if a fuse blew, which would be a Bad Thing. With a breaker, your headlights may flicker or stay off for seconds at a time, but they won't stay permanently out unless you've got something severely wrong on that circuit.

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I think thats what happened on the headlights i guess but the key trunk pop stopped working and the ignition is screwy
The headlights, trunk pop and ignition are all completely independent circuits, so if they're all going wrong at the same time, there'* a big problem somewhere.

I'm wondering whether you might have some problem with the bulkhead connector on the firewall, where the wiring harnesses under the hood go through the firewall to meet the wiring harness behind the dash. There are some large connectors you might want to check out under the hood: see if they're clean and tight, that kind of thing.
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