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Old 12-25-2006, 12:42 AM   #11
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No, I need light output. I have bad driving eyes in the darkness so I need output. I'm just hoping the blue won't contrast with the purple neon .

Do you know anywhere I can find the 6000Ks?

Also, I'm looking at getting the angel eye fog lights. But I would like the actual light to match the headlight. Any way for that to happen?
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I believe Smellbird and Midnight Express have 8000k HID'* for lows and they are very purple.
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I believe Smellbird and Midnight Express have 8000k HID'* for lows and they are very purple.
I remember looking somewhere where they could make the 6000Ks look purple even though they aren't naturally purple. I don't remember where or how long ago that was but I thought I saw it somewhere.

Would the 8000K'* impair seeing conditions?
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No, I need light output. I have bad driving eyes in the darkness so I need output. I'm just hoping the blue won't contrast with the purple neon .

Do you know anywhere I can find the 6000Ks?
Since none of the major (quality) manufacuturers produce anything besides 4100k and 4300k bulbs, the kits you buy on ebay are usually asian imports. Honestly, if I were you I'd invest in an OEM HID system and retrofit it on the car, but if you want a get they can be had on ebay.
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Also, I'm looking at getting the angel eye fog lights. But I would like the actual light to match the headlight. Any way for that to happen?
I've never heard of a way to make a halogen bulb match a 6k, 8k, or especially a 12k HID bulb.
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Ok, here we go again...

HID...

Purple...

Any idea where that 'purple" or "blue" color comes from with real HID projectors? It'* the cutoff shield inside the projector causing the light to bend as it passes over the edge of it.

The light emitted is pretty much pure white. The color temp of any DOT or ECE legal HID is between 4100 and 4300K.

The brightness rating is about 3000-3200 lumens.

The higher you go in color temp, the lower the light output. Plus all of these "8000K" "12000K" "18000K" "30000K" burners are junk. To get the real blue color, they often have to tint the glass, which shortens life, and reduces output.

Anything above 6000K, and you're going to really attract attention, and detract from the usable light. When you start making the light real blue, you increase glare, and you wont be able to see wet roads very well, as the light will scatter more.

If you insist on dropping in a HID kit, they're all gonna be junk unless you get OEM parts, like Philips, Denso, Hella. Any of the off-name brands, you're rolling the dice. You can luck out and get one that lasts a couple years, or have it burn out after 3-6 months.

Also, stay close to 4300K.

But, also realize that you will be blinding everyone by just putting hid burners and ballasts into your stock housings.

Shine your lights against the wall, see how much light scatters. Now triple that, that'* what you'll get out of HID.

Too much foreground light, too. Not enough light at the cutoff. Not a sharp enough cutoff to control glare.

Very very few oem headlights convert well to HID. The only one I can think of is the new Jeep WK'*. (2005+ grand cherokee) I've seen a it in a wk, but he used denso and philips parts. Very sharp cutoff, good light spread. Not as good as projectors, but not bad.

But, a WK is geared more towards the european market than a Bonneville, they sometimes use harmonized headlights in their vehicles (daimlerchrysler, that is).

I had 6000K burners before. The light output sucked. Too blue, didn't look good most of the time.

You might wanna read up on www.hidplanet.com before deciding to put a drop in kit in your current headlights.
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Well I'm probably going to end up with a 6000K or an 8000K. I really don't know the difference between the two. But I've also seen 6500K which I don't know what the difference between that is either.

For fog lights, I will probably just find a tinted bulb or something.
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Ok, here we go again...

HID...

Purple...

Any idea where that 'purple" or "blue" color comes from with real HID projectors? It'* the cutoff shield inside the projector causing the light to bend as it passes over the edge of it.

The light emitted is pretty much pure white. The color temp of any DOT or ECE legal HID is between 4100 and 4300K.

The brightness rating is about 3000-3200 lumens.

The higher you go in color temp, the lower the light output. Plus all of these "8000K" "12000K" "18000K" "30000K" burners are junk. To get the real blue color, they often have to tint the glass, which shortens life, and reduces output.

Anything above 6000K, and you're going to really attract attention, and detract from the usable light. When you start making the light real blue, you increase glare, and you wont be able to see wet roads very well, as the light will scatter more.

If you insist on dropping in a HID kit, they're all gonna be junk unless you get OEM parts, like Philips, Denso, Hella. Any of the off-name brands, you're rolling the dice. You can luck out and get one that lasts a couple years, or have it burn out after 3-6 months.

Also, stay close to 4300K.

But, also realize that you will be blinding everyone by just putting hid burners and ballasts into your stock housings.

Shine your lights against the wall, see how much light scatters. Now triple that, that'* what you'll get out of HID.

Too much foreground light, too. Not enough light at the cutoff. Not a sharp enough cutoff to control glare.

Very very few oem headlights convert well to HID. The only one I can think of is the new Jeep WK'*. (2005+ grand cherokee) I've seen a it in a wk, but he used denso and philips parts. Very sharp cutoff, good light spread. Not as good as projectors, but not bad.

But, a WK is geared more towards the european market than a Bonneville, they sometimes use harmonized headlights in their vehicles (daimlerchrysler, that is).

I had 6000K burners before. The light output sucked. Too blue, didn't look good most of the time.

You might wanna read up on www.hidplanet.com before deciding to put a drop in kit in your current headlights.
Your explanation has moved me. What would you recommend for top of the line lights?
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The difference between the two is that the 8k will be more purple and will amplify the wet road problem.
I'd really like to see you do some reasearch on www.hidplanet.com before you buy a kit on ebay for the more instant gratification. Save your money and go retrofit the first time. I've read WAAAY too many stories about people wishing they would have done it off the bat. Again, it'* your decision in the end, but I'd like to see you end up happy and with the most $$ in your pocket.
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DillCC has the right idea.

Top of the line would be anything an auto manufacturer uses.

For ballasts... stick with Hella, Philips, or Denso.

For burners (bulbs) stick with Philips, Osram, or GE.

For color temp, 4100, and 4300 are OEM colors, I think Osram or Philips might make a 5000K that "simulates" the color of a color-shifted 4100K burner. Color shifting is what happens to a burner as it ages, right around the 100 hour mark. The color temp changes a bit, gets a bit bluer, closer to 5000K.

Optics.

Projectors, period.

You can get a pair of Bosch e46 projectors, which are about 2.5" diameter, to retrofit into your low beams for about $100. It'* quite a bit of work to do it to headlights like yours, but you WILL get top of the line results.

So, let'* do a run down on costs...

Ballasts: $250-400 depending on brand, and what kinda price you find.
Burners: $80 or less brand new.
Projectors: $100-$300 depending on type
Materials for retrofitting: $100'ish.

My option on my jeep was to buy a set of projector housings, remove the crappy H3 bulb projectors, and put in real e46 projectors. They came out pretty good, and I'm happy with the light output. Here'* what mine look like:

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The projectors came out fairly centered, though they're not perfect. This was my first retrofit.

Now, without projector headlights to semi-easily mount a projector in (because of a bracket already being inside), your option is to cut the reflector of your headlights, use nuts and bolts (or screws) and mount the projector inside. Then fill with JB weld or other epoxy, and whatnot.

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That'* what the bracket in mine looks like. Your mileage may vary. Shipping and Handling extra. Taxes Surcharges and Fees may appy.

Yea, I know, I have to update my sig, it still has my other headlights in it.
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I have 6000k and when your in the driver seat it looks more white than blue but when your looking at the car it looks blue.

And fyi it is close to impossible to match hid 6000k with a non HID foglight. I went with yellow. I'm sure your could get 4300 and match them with the fogs fine.

Yellow fogs with my 6000k hids i can see very well at night and in rain. It would be even better if i had projectors though.


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