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Old 10-10-2003, 11:06 AM   #41
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That'* correct, the Bonnie will be FWD, not even enough room for an engine mounted like that.
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Old 10-10-2003, 06:01 PM   #42
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OPS, totally messed up.. the GTO is rwd***
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Old 10-11-2003, 08:40 PM   #43
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Fuddyduddy. The Toro was my favorite of that bunch also. The Riv was downright gauddy and the Eldorado had that grill thing going on. Nice taillights on the Eldorado though.

You can have all the digital dashes in the world and keep them too. Dont like em dont trust em. I've seen to many cars have problems with all that high tec crap. I believe GM should have put the money into engine design or quality interior parts instead of easy to break plastic.

I miss the individual round chrome bezel Jaeger gauges that were on my Alpine. My 86 GMC Brigidere has those kind of gauges also, I forget the name brand but they are easy to read and wont kill the dash if something goes haywire in one of them.

Our 89 NYer had digital and it worked good and never let us down but I've seen cars that were not working. In all brands and models.

I hate "high tec" unless it usefull like highly developed engines or suspension geometry. Or quality metal alloys. Thats usefull tec. Digital dashes, HUD, fly by wire throttle, anti lock brakes, traction control are gimick tec. Expensive troublesome gimick tec.

OOPs, sorry ! Whos the old fuddyduddy now ?
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I love all of that digital ****!

How about the late 80'* Riviera/Reatta with the computer touch-screen. Then in the early 90'* the Rivera/Reatta went to one of my favorite digital dashboards. I'll have to dig up a picture.
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Old 10-11-2003, 11:13 PM   #45
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Ahhh yes, here we go.

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Old 10-11-2003, 11:22 PM   #46
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OK, here'* some more, this time with a fully functional speedo.


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My 86 Riv Has all that stuff and it still works at 90,000 miles. Some are never a problem others were always a problem. More Rivs and Toros went to the junk yard for these problems. I guess the Toros were a bigger problem and set up different from the Riv. Still alot of worthless junk passed off on comsumers creating expensive aggrevation and ruining the reputation of otherwise great cars. I have seen how sales figures steadily fell off on Riv and Toro over these years and never came back. I inquired at some of the used car dealerships back in 98 when we were looking for another car. I wanted to find a late 80'* early 90'* Riv or Toro and they all said they wouldnt touch them, I asked why and they said - electrical nightmares. They said the same thing about the NYer'*, I bought the one we got back then from a private seller that had it on the road so I could test drive it. He also had a 90 or 91 Trofeo in his garage he was trying to get running right, he said the same computer did the dash and engine and was what was wrong with it and it was expensive. That was some sweet car too, Black with Red leather, imaculate POS because of electronic overkill.

On my 64 Alpine with the back lights, on the reflective numbers and letters lit up just like those digitals and with the red needle they looked awsome, and were reliable and accurate. Some things just cant be improved on.

Oh yea and it had a row of real steel toggle switches that snapped firmly on or off. Old aircraft quality probably. Damn I miss that car. It had 2 fuses and a wireing harness that had maybe 20 wires in it.
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Who has a pic of the 89-92 Rivera with the push button tape player screen and climate control?
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Yea that stuff is just unecessary hokus pokus that has no effect on drivability only an effect on the wallet. I truely feel it is the wrong place to spend funds on R&D. I dont want a car that applys braking to the inside wheels while Im driving. Whats up when that goes haywire. How much does that boost the cost of a car. How much did GM spend on R&D for that system. At the same time they are supposedly trying to reduce corporate costs and wastes. Get rid of a few electronic tecs that have nothing better to do than complicate things.
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Yeah, now the 88 or 89 Rivera/Reatta was neat with the CRT touch screen. Yes, very complicated. GM probably could have spent it'* money on performance and reliability, but you don't see this sort of technology on any other cars around. Definitely trapped in time for now.






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