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Old 02-03-2004, 09:40 PM   #11
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that'* what kickpanels are for..
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Old 02-03-2004, 09:43 PM   #12
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This is going to go nowhere fast, so everyone do what makes them happy.
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Old 02-04-2004, 03:39 AM   #13
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As others have said, during live concerts you will hear sound being reverberated around the entire environment. The world'* best concert halls (Sydney Opera House, Carnegie Hall, etc.) have all been acoustically engineered to take into account these reverberations, not attenuate them. They say that the bathroom (shower) is a great place to sing since the walls reflect sound, not absorb them (though I will admit that it'* a slightly different situation since you want more reverb, considering you're projecting your voice away from you and what it to reflect back into your ears).

Attempting to listen to a pair of speakers in an anechoic chamber (a non-reverberating chamber used for empirical evaluation of loudspeakers) will produce a dead sound that will seem unnatural and almost fatiguing to listen to. Why is this? It'* because your hearing has adapted itself to innately expect small reverberations, even though you may not consciously perceive them. Suppose you're talking to your friend in a room. There may not be distinct "echoes" in the room, but there is still a resonance that is present that gives the voice the fullness that you've come to expect of it. Add a whole bunch of acoustical deadening panels to the room and suddenly everything will sound out of place.

For this reason, the recording studio at Skywalker Sound (one of the largest and most technically advanced sound studios in the world - if you seen a few movies, you've probably heard a few of them engineered at Skywalker) has movable panels to control the amount of reverberation, and the floor is made of hard wood.

Now, your car is not the most acoustically preferable situation you can be in. There'* carpeting, seating surfaces, trim, etc, including just the irregular shape of the cabin alone, that all contribute to the absorption of sound waves. In order to simulate the surrounding effects of reverberation, I would include rear fill to make the soundstage a bit fuller and more "true to life."

But of course, in the end, it'* your car and your ears, so to each his own. As long as you enjoy how your car sounds, that'* all that matters.
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Ya know, skywalker sound uses B&W speakers just like I do.... Damn those sound good though.
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Lucky dawg...is that setup in your dorm room?
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yes but like u said its setup setup setup that makes the music jump out at u, part of that being no rear fill
Exactly!!! You guys know my feeling, What'* rear fill,?oh ya that thing I turn on when someone sits in the back, followed by shutting it off once they've left.

I agree that it'* all setup and cars aren't optimal for sound reproduction. Still not a fan of rear fill, but you must have a good front sound stage to pull it all off. Those with low end systems or stock, I agree that if you trun off the rear it doesn't sound very good, but once you have nice componets, amped and crossovers set, not to mention sealed and dampened doors, the front sound stage will be transformed.

Totaly agree with stock locations too. Soon I plan on little glass project to angle my tweets.
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Old 02-06-2004, 02:45 PM   #17
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Lucky dawg...is that setup in your dorm room?
Yes and i got it CHEAAAAAP, save the speakers but that didn't stop me.

Bought from one guy:
Denon DRA 375RD reciever ($300 give or take) i paid $100 to the guy
Sony CDX-400 Megachanger ($300) I paid $100 from the guy
Monster Cable Z Series speaker wire ($100) i paid $25.

PS2 $250 Used
TV $150 New

JBL PB-10 ($300) paid $170 working @ Worst Buy
B&W 602 s3 Speakers $600
Sanus Faber stands $80 cause i bought the B&W.

And i built the stand myself with 5 layer finished plywood, real wood edging, 4 threaded rods, 32 washers and nuts, and a lot of stain.
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Old 02-06-2004, 04:49 PM   #19
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Nice setup much beter than mine, I just bought a 35 in TV and stil use the stereo I got like 8 years ago. Aiwa is still rocking on.

I'm trying to think here, what brand is B&W?
I'd really like a B&O setup some day. That'* Bang & Olofson.
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Old 02-06-2004, 07:53 PM   #20
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Oh yeah?

I got:

Martin Logan Statement E2'*
Krell X Series monoblocks
Krell KCT CAST preamplifier

Rane DEQ 60L equalizer
Runco VX-6c DLP front projector
Da-Lite Cinema Contour Screen

EAT THAT!



I'm just kidding. I think my parents would have to sell the house in order to purchase maybe the projector alone.
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