Yeah keep the stock speaker locations, anything else will make the soundstage funky.

I will be getting some 5 1/4'* for the front as well, but how hard is it to change them? I know taking the door panel off is a PITA an getting it back on is even more of a headache. I'm looking for sites that sell the Pioneers I want but theZeb is giving me problems.

if those speaks are actually 350w max i definately wouldn't run them without an amp. whats the rms rating??

They are 80Watts RMS, 350W max 4 way speakers.

I will get a decent HU as well, but I have thought about getting an amp for them to. Chances are I will do it but not right away.

only reason i ask is because most speakers fail due to underpowering, not overpowering...

I listened to these speakers and I admit they would be much better and up to their potential if I amped them. I'm sure they will be very good once I get the HU, but the amp does make a big difference, I've heard them with and without the amp. It'* just a matter of $$ now. I'll have to wait for the amp.

I'll get a HU with at least 2 preamp outputs, 3 if can afford one with it. I'm looking at the Pioneer DEH-P series.

i'm still a very firm believer in 4 volt preouts. If money isn't a huge issue, i'd look into either at Pioneer DEH-P7500MP at
http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?...0mp&svbname=30

or an Alpine CDA-9811 at http://www.gopcplus.com/pcplus/produ...roductID=90903

i've had 1 deck with 2 preouts that were 2.2 volt and 2 decks with 3 4 volt preouts. Won't ever buy 2 volt again

That 350w max is BS IMHO. they'll be fine off the head unit. Not tip top but you wouldn't know if we didn't tell you.

Would two 2.2 outputs be fine if I don't do subs? I think that'* what they are on one of the HU'* I'm looking at.

Jason, those speakers are advertised as 350W max, I'll find a link ASAP, but I agree that it may be jacked up. I've heard from a very knowledgable audio guy that companies do that a lot. (Like the sub boxes at WalMart that advertise 600W)


EDIT: Here'* a link. http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/1165

Wow that'* a great price! It'* $350 at Crutchfield or other omparable stores. That may be what I will get. I was already planning on spending $200, so that isn't too much more. Thanks!