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Old 08-20-2005, 10:06 AM   #21
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Toyota has RAISED the priced of there vehicles. What a slap in the face to GM. Thats how loyal there customers are. That there cars are so good that they can raise the price of there vehicles and not lose one single customer.
The reason that Toyota raised prices was to assist GM and ford.

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/...e_20050730.htm
Toyota published a report months ago stating that a price raise would be better for buisness. Trying to undercut domestic products who are struggling is not the image Toyota wanted. They fear that if one of the US companies went under that a nationalistic backlash would ensue, hurting sales. Wether or not this is true is besides the point.
The Big 2 (GM and Ford)have brought this on themselves, years of huge discounts, followed by more huge discounts, we are all conditioned to think that if we will suffer through owning a GM vehicle, they will reward us with taking 5-7 grand off.

That may very well NOT be the case, GM vehicles are vastly better than they were 5 years ago, but Toyota has done a better job of making sure nobody EVER associated them with bad quality to begin with.

Toyota has a FAR better business plan than GM, and they are reaping the benifits of it
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Toyota published a report months ago stating that a price raise would be better for buisness. Trying to undercut domestic products who are struggling is not the image Toyota wanted. They fear that if one of the US companies went under that a nationalistic backlash would ensue, hurting sales. Wether or not this is true is besides the point.
The Big 2 (GM and Ford)have brought this on themselves, years of huge discounts, followed by more huge discounts, we are all conditioned to think that if we will suffer through owning a GM vehicle, they will reward us with taking 5-7 grand off.

That may very well NOT be the case, GM vehicles are vastly better than they were 5 years ago, but Toyota has done a better job of making sure nobody EVER associated them with bad quality to begin with.

Toyota has a FAR better business plan than GM, and they are reaping the benifits of it
True, true true. Wouldn't think that an Avalon of the same year would have the same issues with power window regulators. To be perfectly honest, would have bought an '04 Avalon over the Bonneville if I could have afforded it. Don't get me wrong, I love the bonneville, but when you run the numbers, you can see than an '05 Avalon XL and an '05 SE have simlilar "what customers are paying" numbers at kbb.com (incidentally the bonneville has a higher MSRP), and then if you look at the suggested retail value for an '04 with 23K miles on it, the Avalon retails for $5000 more!
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naw, definately not from wear and tear! It'* just a faulty design. There are many 87-91 bonnevilles that haven't had a single regulator or motor fail but there are an outstanding number of 00+ vehicles that have had several fail. The way they designed it is horrible. The cable rubs against plastic 'guides' and either the guides break, or the cable wears to the poin that it snaps. The older regulator designs were nothing like this and were MUCH MUCH better!

here'* a picture of a broken regulator I replaced on our 00 SLE.
This is exactly the part I have been talking about... See the cable, its no thicker than a bicycle hand brake cable... And many of us have had those hand brake cables snap on us in our younger days....

I have actually seen where the cable didn't snapp, but it freyed(spelling lol)... Getting suck leaving the window stuck open... Last price on a Regulator I got was $256 from the dealer... The junk yard didn't even have one left... They were a hot item for GM cars... Junk yard couldn't keep em...

Its a sorry design...

And again I agree... I have never seen a regulator on any 86-99 C or H body fail... Just the motor going bad after many many years of daily use...

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To repair this at the dealer runs about $350. I had purchased an extended warranty and it covered the second repair.
This last one cost $411 - i am glad i had that extended "service/maintenance" contract.

oh yeah, that'* what some of the dealerships call them now - Extended Service/Maintenance Contracts

Why? because that way some people will think diffenrently about it. sneaky! so, now your warranty isn't expiring - your "PREPAID" service contract has expired.

how ridiculous!
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There was a company that refurbishes window regulators & upgrades the overall quality. Someone had posted the info here a while back. I think it might have been on ebay, but not sure.
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If you remember a couple of years ago. None of the Japanese manufacturers offered rebates. Why? Because they thought that they did not need to. But now they do! Why? Because they were loosing market share. The Japanese cars are no better than the US cars. They have Problems as well. Look at what the US has as well. We own Mazda (Ford), Austin Martin (Ford), Jag (Ford), SAAB (GM), Hummer (GM) and these are just naming a few not to mention Chrysler (Damler). Don't get me wrong the Japanese cars do offer better fuel economy over most US cars, that'* a fact and this is probably why they sell better, plus most of their smaller cars are nicer looking. Case in point Poniac Vibe, Sunfire (yuk!), Ford Focus, (Double Yuk!), Plymouth Neon (uhg). The Japanese made a living on cute, cheep, and economical. Just my 2 pennies...
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BTW: All manufacturers sell Extended warrenties. Why? It'* a cash cow!!! But sometimes it is better to have the extra insurance. Kind of like life insurance. You may never need it, but it'* good to have if you do. Protect your family! One more penny.
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There was a company that refurbishes window regulators & upgrades the overall quality. Someone had posted the info here a while back. I think it might have been on ebay, but not sure.
This is the guy:

http://www.regulatorusa.com/

He does a lot of sales through ebay. He charges about $165 for the regulator, but then gives you a $40 core charge refund if you send your broken regulator to him. One year warranty. His rebuilds seem to have a much stronger cable than origianl factory models.
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I had a 94 Bonneville that had that intake manifold leak. See, there the difference between American and Japanese cars. American the same problem persists year after year. At least with the Japanese vehicles it'* resolved the next year.
But can you say Honda transmissions-Odyssey-and sludge?
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