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Old 12-02-2002, 08:10 PM   #1
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Like the title says. Which one would you prefer for performance parts. Also for those that have bought from one or the other, what did you buy and how were the results. The winter is here so its time to work on the car for spring. My goal is to be in the mid 14'* with no juice. I have a '98 SLE N/A.
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Also what type of tranny & motor do we have.
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You have the L36 3800 and 4T65E trans (not HD). If you're looking at trans parts, go intense if your budget will allow. The rest of your parts you should see angryducktofuracing.com and domesticperformance first, then go elsewhere.
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Do you/anyone know off hand about how much money roughly it would cost to make this happen?
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I would suggest "Home Depot Motorsports" Before you think about throwing a lot of money at your car to go faster you need to spend a lot more time in the seat.

'98 SLE
* 215 hp ( I think, if it'* more, then sweet)
* Assuming a set of good tires would help
* 3800 wet lbs.
* Nominal Altitude (read: you're not in Denver)

You should be able to run a mid-15 with a good launch and no modifications what so ever.

Next Step: Low 15'*
Yours is pretty new so you shouldn't need to do any regular maintenance, but get yourself a set of "colder" plugs. $10

Don't waste your time or money on a set of "Performance" wires ... the 1/2 horsepower they'll provide isn't worth your time.

I would suggest at the track just running without an air filter. Take off the filter and the nozzle leading to it. I do this on my '92 when I run her. (I've hit a low 15) Don't worry about a "Cold Air Intake" The bonneville'* intake doesn't pick up hot air... it gets it from right behind the frickin' headlight. -- Free

Don't worry about hurting it... the run will only last 15 seconds.

Get a bag of ice on the engine before the run. Colder engines = happier runs. -- $5

Take all the **** out of the trunk. Saved me nearly 50 lbs. And that'* worth a tenth. I didn't have amps and subs so if you've got those then you're really looking at a weight savings -- Free

Use steel 15-16" rims from the junkyard. They weigh less than those fancy *** mag rims. Make sure they're nice an knobby (less resistence). This can be free if you take a "late night discount" from the junkyard or "know the guy at the counter." Otherwise you'll pay like $20

Take off your muffler. The cat will provide enough back pressure for all intensive purposes. -- Free + Frustration of rusty exhaust pipes.

If you're really ambitious ... Take out your passenger and rear-seats... that'* nearly 150 LBS!!! That power front seat is HEAVY! And even if it'* not power, you're still looking at saving 100 lbs. (w/ the rear seat) -- Free + Frustration of Interior parts and nekkid looking car.

Run a half-tank of gas (less weeiiighhtt!!!) -- Free

Horespower Increases:
~15 Horsepower for the Airfilter
~5 Horsepower from the plugs
~5 From cooling it down between runs (this is more significant on a SuperCharged engine but the trick still works)
~10 Horsepower from removing the muffler
+35 Horsepower = 250 horsepower

Weight DECREASES:
~10 lbs Muffler
~125 lbs seats
~50 lbs Junk in Trunk
~25 lbs steel rims in back
~25 lbs less gasoline
-235 lbs = 3565 lbs in the car

Expected 1/4 mile time: 14.63
Cost (High Estimate) : $35

How does that sound?

-Duck
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I am not sure about ZZP because I have never dealt with them. I bought my pulley from Intense and they were sold out and Scott e-mailed me right away to let me know. I then received it sooner than Scott had said it would come. I was very pleased with Intense'* professionalism.
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Zoomer at ZZP is a great guy to deal with, but the guys at Intense provide better support and have a bigger name with the GPer'*. They sponsor quite a few races in Ohio...something I highly recommend going to if you get the chance!
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Both intense and zzperformance are good and both support each other. I think you will find both are as good for performance. Intense it the best when it comes to the transaxle for the 4t65-e. Basically both provide excellent performance and the choice is safe with either. Donít be afraid to mix and match.

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Horespower Increases:
~15 Horsepower for the Airfilter
~5 Horsepower from the plugs
~5 From cooling it down between runs (this is more significant on a SuperCharged engine but the trick still works)
~10 Horsepower from removing the muffler
+35 Horsepower = 250 horsepower

Weight DECREASES:
~10 lbs Muffler
~125 lbs seats
~50 lbs Junk in Trunk
~25 lbs steel rims in back
~25 lbs less gasoline
-235 lbs = 3565 lbs in the car

Expected 1/4 mile time: 14.63
Cost (High Estimate) : $35

How does that sound?

-Duck
I dont think so dude. If it was that easy, I would be running 13'* by now. A 98 SLE is going to have 205HP, going to weigh at least 3700lbs w/o driver and gas. Follow all that advice but I don't think the wheels trick is going to work, they are not lighter, they are still steel dude.... Still going to weigh 40 lbs (each rim & just the rim w/o tire) But do all the other stuff, but you will probably run low 16'* (like 16.0) or high 15'* with those above mods (15.9).
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I'd have to agree. I'm just under 15 (by a hair and a half), and I've done alot more than that. I know 15hp from a filter, or even a full intake is very optomistic, even with other mods. I'd say 5 for a k&n, and MAYBE 10 for a full custom intake, but you won't gain full advantage of that without other mods.
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