Very rich burn......?
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Originally Posted by popatim
Did you disconnect the battery to reset the pcm after you installed the new O2?
The trick to this is finding out how the PCM thinks and where it gets its info. For instance, and this may not be an indicator, if the short term trim has to continually bring down the flow, why wouldn't the consistently positive long term trim be backed down?
I'm going to pull the back plugs. One of the six may show a different burn than the others. There is only one FPR. so the flow through the rail must be balanced in a normal state. Maybe one needs more fuel, so the rest are "flooded". I also got a fuel pressure gauge which says i can measure the FPR and the fuel pump with it. Maybe one of them is sick, and just not dead yet.
The only thing left i can think of would be the coils. I had the battery and alternator tested and they are perfect.
I'll proceed, but I'm hopeful for others ideas or problemsolving routes.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Archon
The "base" voltage for the O2 sensor is 450mv or .45 volts. From that voltage, it can swing down to 0, or up to 1 volt, and should do so fairly quickly. A higher voltage indicates a rich mixture, and a low one, a lean mixture. If the voltage seems to hang longer in the above .45 voltage area, that would confirm your feeling that you are running a bit rich. Was this the same car that had the intake problem? If so, was the O2 sensor replaced prior to that repair?
The O2 sensor works by comparing the oxygen content of the exhaust with a "clean air reference." While investigating this, I found that it uses the wiring for the O2 sensor to sense the clean air around it. So, chafed, burned, pinched or damaged wiring can cause it to malfunction. That would also explain on why it'* important to keep the spark plug wires (#6 being the usual culprit) away from the wiring.
Other things that can cause a problem with the sensor is a leaky or restrictive exhaust system, or an evaporative system problem.
The O2 sensor works by comparing the oxygen content of the exhaust with a "clean air reference." While investigating this, I found that it uses the wiring for the O2 sensor to sense the clean air around it. So, chafed, burned, pinched or damaged wiring can cause it to malfunction. That would also explain on why it'* important to keep the spark plug wires (#6 being the usual culprit) away from the wiring.
Other things that can cause a problem with the sensor is a leaky or restrictive exhaust system, or an evaporative system problem.
So wouldn't that mean that the O2 sensor on the cat is seeing a rich exhaust at .7v, which is above the .45v ideal operation? Still within operating limits, but not very good.
That'* interesting about the wires doing the sensing.
FWIW, I was able to check the 2 front O2 sensors against each other. They operated in the same range, except the Delco was much, much quicker than the Bob'* O2 sensor.
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Originally Posted by Archon
The same median does apply for the rear sensor, but the voltage swings may be a bit less dramatic...maybe roughly between .3 and .7 volts.
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The front oxygen sensor will give you a good idea of how well it can help the PCM adjust the air/fuel mixture. The rear oxygen sensor is for telling how well the catalytic converter is doing its job. You may have a bad cat., or perhaps the sensor itself is going bad.
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