Thanks, grounding the PCM wire made them come on, so I just rigged up a toggle by the console. Hope the wifey can deal with this situation. Anyway, the car is just not worth shop bills and lots of time and money trying to fix it properly. It has way too many other things wrong with it. I just need an extra set of wheels so I have something to drive when the GXP is at the dealer. Which is starting to be too often.