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Old 05-15-2005, 03:27 AM   #161
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All the threads holes I could find were cleaned.
I hope by clean you mean that you re-tapped them. It'* the only positive way to get accurate torque for re-installing.
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Old 05-15-2005, 10:00 AM   #162
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I know, I know. But I couldn't afford a Tap and Die Set. I cleaned off the old head bolts, and made sure everything was smooth as far as being able to turn the bolt with my hands all the way through threads. It was alright, so I am not too worried.


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Old 05-15-2005, 07:25 PM   #163
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Another hard day with the car.

Started at 11am, and just cleaned up now [now being 6pm]. Non-stop, 7 hours of pure hard labour. If you look at it by what got put on, I didn't get a whole lot done. But, if you look at all the work I had to do, I got a lot done.

Basically I pulled all the boxes of **** that was pulled off the car, and laid it all out in the driveway. Started organizing all that stuff from what goes on first, to what goes on last. Then started cleaning the **** that goes on first, and got it ready to go on.

I got the heads put on, torqued down [tripple torque {checked}, and in the right sequence ]. Cleaned up the headers, re-rivited the heat shields back on [riviters are COOL!! It is my new toy now ]. I am about 5 minutes away from having the headers completed. And, here I am.

Don't have a whole lot more to do, other than install the idler, PS Pump, Coil bracket, and intake/TB and ****. My guess, I won't have her running before next weekend.. since I really can't put forth a lot of time during the week. But, I really think I will have her running next weekend.. really!

No pics.. too damn tired. I think it is bedtime for me.


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Old 05-23-2005, 09:10 AM   #164
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Alright, here are the events of Sunday.

I got started at 3pm, and worked my *** off getting everything ready, cleaned and all that great ****. By 9:00 I was ready to put the whole intake assembly on. Cleaned everything up, put some High-Temp Silicone on the gaskets [remember, this oil leak was the whole reason I took the engine apart]. At around 9:30 I was all done ready to fire her up. Enlisted my mom'* help [since I have yet to crank the engine over since I put the heads on] to crank over the engine.

The engine refused to start, but there are a few things I need to check first.. I really couldn't do anything last night, because it was much too dark to see anything]. I only threw on the Magnavox ignition, because I was too lazy to setup the Delco Assembly, and because I knew the Magnavox would work no questions asked. I have yet to buy new plugs or wires, so I am still using the shitty stuff [but again, I know it works.. so it should be all good].

If somebody could be so kind to take a picture of the engine, and label the cylinder numbers, that would be much appreciated. I really have no clue what cylinder is what, other than the evens are to the firewall [#4 is in the center cylinder], and the odds are to the grille [I believe #3 is the centre here also]. The reason I need this, is to confirm my coil -> wire -> plug connections. That could be why the engine didn't want to fire, is that I totally screwed something up. But I do know the Cylinder Numbers for the Coil.

Also, if somebody knows how to torque down the rockers, that would be great too. I really don't know how to torque them down, but I made sure they were to the point where they would compress the spring [but not compressing the spring].

Here is the weird part, though. I just have to include this, because of it'* unsuality. When cranking the engine over, it would go crank, crank, crank, crank, crank, ruhroo [slow crank, lights dim, etc..], crank, crank, crank, crank, crank, ruhroo [same ****]. Every single time too. Almost like there was something wrong with one cylinder [don't let this sound be mistaken for the engine wanting to fire.. it didn't].

The one thing that holds up hope, the tach jumbles, the SES light was illuminated, and I smelt burnt gas [or burnt something], and I could have sworn I saw smoke come out the rear header. However that could have also been the placebo effect [you know, me getting excited, and that'* what I think I would see].


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I did this before I did the delco mod, but it should be correct. Maybe someone can confirm it.
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Boy with the way you described the sound, its almost like you have some sort of a compression lock every revolution. Are you sure you got all the rockers and pushrods in correctly? If the rods are not even length you put the correct length back in the correct hole? As fat as torquing down the rockers there should be specs for that in a chiltons.
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Justin, I believe that you don't have the rockers tight enough... I think its 19-20 Ft Lbs... Tighten them untill they pretty much stop on the pushrod guides... 20 ft lbs... Might be more for the 89'*... I forget...

Also sounds like you have a couple of wires crossed in there somewhere... That smoke tells me you are getting fuel and fire...

Make sure the battery is fully charged... Also make sure the injector wiring is correct as well... Should have the cylinder numbers on the pigtails...

And if memory serves the above listing for the cylinders is correct..

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Boy with the way you described the sound, its almost like you have some sort of a compression lock every revolution. Are you sure you got all the rockers and pushrods in correctly? If the rods are not even length you put the correct length back in the correct hole? As fat as torquing down the rockers there should be specs for that in a chiltons.
all of the pushrods should be even length on the 3800'* unless there is a bent one or few...

But I agree, I think the rockers are not tight enough...

Justin you reinstalled the pushrod guide plates right? And the rocker arm bolts are in tight contact with the guide plates?

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The one lock could be a cyl firing way too advanced which would bear out crossed plug wires. Keep in mind that the Ignition assebly grounds through the mounting bracket so if not screwed down tight on at least one nut, it will not fire properly.

From the picture it looks like you did not remove the crank pulley. Is this correct ? If it was removed did you make sure the woodruff key was in place when replacing ? (rings on inside are timing elements and if the crank pulley is not keyed the timing could be anywhere).
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Thanks guys, a lot more responses than I thought I would get .

I'm going to confirm the ignition wiring, and put the rest of the fuses into the fuse panel [it was late, I was tired, and I couldn't find all my fuses, so I just put in the ones that looked important [not sure if I even put in the fuel pump fuse ]. In about 20 minutes [just got home from school, and I am hungry] I will go out and check everything over. I'll play around with it and see what I can come up with. Hopefully it isn't anything stupid I missed.

Is it possible for me to jump the starter using jumper cables? I'll probably go that route.. or maybe some 16ga jumper wires? Would that be enough to crank the engine over [not to start it.. just crank it]?

Padgett does seem to make sense.. although I did not remove the crank pulley [or any other pulleys for that matter], I did not even put one nut on the coil pack. Although the tach did jump around like it normally does [indicating I had spark]. So even with the coil pack not bolted down completely, and the tach jumping it could still not fire properly?

Yes, I did install the pushrod guide plates.. if by that you mean the thing that sits under the rockers.. right? I put everything that was previously on the valvetrain, back on. Is it alright to crank [possibly] start the engine with the valve covers removed? That may be the best idea to test the valvetrain.

Don't worry about the battery, that sucker is beyond fully charged..


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