Civic isn't too happy right now (help?) (three vids added)
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(1991 Honda Civic SE: 1.5L, 4-speed automatic, 290,000km / 180k mi)
Not quite sure what the problem is, figure I'd start something here and get some ideas on diagnostics before I dig deeper. This $500 Civic has just encountered its first worrysome drivability issue in almost two years and 40,000km.
Scenario: With light throttle application at varied speeds and varied gears, I experience some lurching, as if the trans and/or engine control is calling for a shift that isn't (and shouldn't be) happening. It had mostly been noticable BELOW TC lockup speed. Usually, lockup happens at about 65-67km/h (40-43mph). Lately, at 50-55km/h (31-34mph) the car will appear to want to repeatedly go in and out lockup, it feels like bouncing off a rev limiter, so to speak. The tachometer agrees.
- Driving faster and/or adding more throttle tends to stop the lurching.
- Condition improves, but does not disappear when car warms up and has been driving a while.
- Condition happens at speeds as low as 20-25mph and as high as 70mph, the latter of which is just a one-time hunt out of and back into overdrive
- I'm going to do a little more driving in D3 (non OD) instead of D4 (OD) tomorrow and see how that affects the situation.
Transmission fluid is nice and red, not burnt smelling; levels look OK. I'm also thinking about ignition or fueling related issues, but not sure where to head in terms of that. I know this is not a Honda forum, but any general ideas would be appreciated.
Not quite sure what the problem is, figure I'd start something here and get some ideas on diagnostics before I dig deeper. This $500 Civic has just encountered its first worrysome drivability issue in almost two years and 40,000km.
Scenario: With light throttle application at varied speeds and varied gears, I experience some lurching, as if the trans and/or engine control is calling for a shift that isn't (and shouldn't be) happening. It had mostly been noticable BELOW TC lockup speed. Usually, lockup happens at about 65-67km/h (40-43mph). Lately, at 50-55km/h (31-34mph) the car will appear to want to repeatedly go in and out lockup, it feels like bouncing off a rev limiter, so to speak. The tachometer agrees.
- Driving faster and/or adding more throttle tends to stop the lurching.
- Condition improves, but does not disappear when car warms up and has been driving a while.
- Condition happens at speeds as low as 20-25mph and as high as 70mph, the latter of which is just a one-time hunt out of and back into overdrive
- I'm going to do a little more driving in D3 (non OD) instead of D4 (OD) tomorrow and see how that affects the situation.
Transmission fluid is nice and red, not burnt smelling; levels look OK. I'm also thinking about ignition or fueling related issues, but not sure where to head in terms of that. I know this is not a Honda forum, but any general ideas would be appreciated.
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My guess is the torque converter, assuming it'* an auto... That'* exactly what mine did, only it didn't go away when it was hot...
My suggestion is to dump it at a junkyard and pick yourself up a Bonneville
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My suggestion is to dump it at a junkyard and pick yourself up a Bonneville
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I was thinking the same, but does a bad TC usually go hand in hand with burnt or telltale problems with fluid?
(a new transmission for me = four doors, a 3800... you know where this going
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(a new transmission for me = four doors, a 3800... you know where this going
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Bump for two light throttle vids and one higher speed vid:
In 2nd gear, you can see a double shudder after it shifts into third.

Starting from 1st gear, you will see the same shudder after it shifts into second

At higher speeds: Near the end you'll notice two blips:

In ALL of these vids, throttle is remaining constant. Checked the fluid again today, it looks good.
In 2nd gear, you can see a double shudder after it shifts into third.

Starting from 1st gear, you will see the same shudder after it shifts into second

At higher speeds: Near the end you'll notice two blips:

In ALL of these vids, throttle is remaining constant. Checked the fluid again today, it looks good.
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What year is that Civic and does it have the Electronic Trans?
It almost acts like its not sure what gear it wants
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Fuel filter is unchanged under my ownership. It idles great and does fine under heavier throttle, could it still be it? It is a 1991, 1.5L DX powertrain, as far as I know it has electronic transmission control. There is actually an ECU code that is set off for a failure of the lockup control solenoid valve, code 19, as per this link... but I'm not getting that.
Relatively speaking, it'* been a little warmer the past couple days (near freezing as opposed to well below) and it feels much better, but I still get the occasional pop in-and-out of lockup.
Relatively speaking, it'* been a little warmer the past couple days (near freezing as opposed to well below) and it feels much better, but I still get the occasional pop in-and-out of lockup.


