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Old 07-14-2003, 05:03 AM   #11
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i noticed that not one member that i have see has chose the route to build an engine (i maybe wrong) all of you thing that just adding basicly cheap mod are the way to go such as filters pulleys plugs wires exhuast etc and all the really get you is about 50 to 75 more hp than stock when i have almost double so dont hate get off my nuts!!!!!!!
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Default ok heres my parts list!

"notice not all parts listed are bolt on some mods were done" and if you dont beleive me after this F**k this club? Edelbrock intake,mallory fuel pump,paxton fuel filter,accel 24lb injectors ,holley regulator, stock Exhaust (one is being machined as i write) MSD6AL ignition,Talyor wires,NKG plugs,Hypertech thermo-master chip,caspers throttle respone calibrator,powermaster starter,ohio generater alternator,optima yellow top,Eagle crank ,speed pro pistons+bearings,summit rings, eagle rods,federal mogul gaskets,im sorry it was a crane cam(powermaster)and comp cam pushrods,crane cam rockers, milodon vavles,edelbrock timing chain, march pulleys, manley springs+retainers,moroso pan+pump,arp bolts, goodyear hoses,be cool radiator,dual flex alite fans,dual perma cool tranny coolers, CSI water pump,autometer gauges, future mods: an exhuast system some kind of reilable intake, maybe zex, and a supped up tranny, driveshafts i spent about 6350 i just parts and most off the machine work i did , many suspension mods had to be done! and were!
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What we're talking about here mark, is that ANYONE making those claims would have to back them up. Would you believe anyone coming in off the street with those claims? Now that we see what you've done, it adds a bit more credibility to the hp claim.

The problem you have now is that someone is going to ask for pics. Prepare yourself!
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Old 07-14-2003, 01:31 PM   #14
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Impressive list. Must have been a very spendy project $$$$

If anyone wants to go from 170hp to 304hp this is a good way to do it Mark_m, you have to publish a book now.
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i noticed that not one member that i have see has chose the route to build an engine (i maybe wrong) all of you thing that just adding basicly cheap mod are the way to go such as filters pulleys plugs wires exhuast etc and all the really get you is about 50 to 75 more hp than stock when i have almost double so dont hate get off my nuts!!!!!!!
OK, let me help you out here. Grand Prix'* have the same engines as Bonnevilles. The fastest N/A Grand Prix runs 13.8'*. It puts out something like 260hp to the wheels and it has a complete INTENSE race engine with higher compression, balanced and blueprinted, bored .020 over, very high lift race cam, intense stage 2 or 3 heads (I can'r emember which), etc.... The engine costs something like 15 grand, and it was built by a company that designs hardcore engine componets for these cars. Because of this, I have a VERY hard time believing that your L27, which started out with 25 less horsepower than this L36, is making 304 to the wheels, especially with stock intake and exhaust, you can put as big of a cam, and as good of flowing heads in as you want, but if the air can't get in or out, it doesn't help much, if at all. Because of all of these little things that don't make any sense about the car, it makes it very hard for me to believe it. I very highly doubt you are making that kind of power. If that were the case you would be running low 13'* in the 1/4. That is why I think that number is not legit. I am not saying it is impossible, but you can't just claim something out there that far if you can't prove it, because people aren't going to believe you. That has never been done before, and we basically want proof that it is the case. Pictures, Dyno Charts, 1/4 mile times, etc...

Yeah, and see my signature. Our Supercharged & Intercooled GTP with a LOT of modifications ($7000 worth) only makes around 320 at the wheels, and it is pushing 15psi boost in an engine that is a newer and improved version of yours, it has high ratio rocker arms to give it a lot more valve lift, it has headers, ported intake manifold, and many many other things. We are the 15th Fastest GTP (which are all supercharged except for the 1 with a turbo, and WAY faster than any N/A 3800. This is why unless you are running a big shot of nitrous or something, those numbers seem a tick high.

I am not saying it isn't possible, just that I would like to see pictures and dyno charts, and I would like to know why nobody anywhere has every heard of you before.
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If anyone wants to go from 170hp to 304hp this is a good way to do it
Except that 170hp is crank, and the 304 is wheel. If what he says is true, it is making ~380 crank hp. That is 210 more than stock, and seems just a tick high to me.
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You just said you are "machining" a new exauhst???? Buddy you don't machine exaust systems...
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you do machine exhuast if its a custom header dont try to make me look stupid cuz its backfireing on u
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dude its backfiring on you! most of that junk, as cool as it sounds, doesn't add hp! A battery, timing chain, alternator, rods, plugs, wires, regulator, injectors, fuel filter, fuel pump, valves (cause i KNOW they're stock size), springs, gaskets, throttle response calibrator, starter, radiator, tranny cooler...all that junk adds ZERO hp. what do you have that adds? Possibly the pistons (higher comp?), chip, rockers, cam, pulleys, porting, and intake. Oh and edlebrock makes an intake for the 3800? Interesting. So with those FEW poweradders your going from like 170hp to 350+?? Do you have a 10second integra too? Go somewhere else with that junk.
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Here I'll play devils advocate here

Backfiring? Well no my engine doesn't backfire... oh wait you're talking about what I said? You said a machined exaust. To any sane person who knows there bearings weight in car mechanics they would know that Headers and "Exaust are two seperate things....
"Exaust" implies the entire system, which is just bent pipes, a muffler, and should have a cat, and tips if needed. You can't machine a muffler, or cat, tips and pipe yes, but it would be really dumb too. Headers are called headers, and not exaust for a reason buddy....

Headers are supposed to be mandrel bent tubes if I remember correctly. Atleast SLP performance parts are, and eddlebrock, but i'm sure your'* are better. Machining intracate bends in headers like the ones you would have to use on a 3800 (or any V6 fwd car) is near impossible (if not impossible) So please enlighten us on what you mean.... I'd love to know what you are doing.
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