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Old 12-14-2004, 12:12 AM   #41
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Rockers are easy to install, give you a net gain of 10-15 HP, and increase your gas mileage. They sound like a good deal to me when you look at $$-Pros-Cons. Also, I think that some people are forgetting that these rockers will give you a net gain of 10-15 HP BUT on supercharged cars they will allow a drop in pulley size or get rid of the KR you are already getting with the pulley you have thus giving you more HP.
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Better gas milage.. i dunnooo
More air means more fuel...
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I have 1.9'* on my '99 GT and that helped me alot!
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Better gas milage.. i dunnooo
More air means more fuel...
better gas mileage=more efficient.
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more efficient in a higher rpm range where you use more fuel
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You'd think this would follow the same guidlines as those talking about better gas mileage with premium fuel. The idea people were saying there is that you made more power and thus had to use less throttle to maintain a certain speed....
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The parts situation for you Series 1 guys is tough. To make a computer analogy, it'* like trying to buy brand new software for a computer running Windows 3.1. It'* just going to get tougher to find stuff because people are phasing it out and all the cars with Series 1 motors are just getting older and older. The Series 1 doesn't have any inherent advantages over a Series 2 that will allow it to stay popular in the automotive world. There are parts available now, but prices will just go higher as time goes on. Eventually the parts that are sitting on shelves will be bought up or recycled, at which time any performance parts will be one-off custom jobs. You dudes are doing some killer stuff, but there will come a time when the small S1 market will become extinct and hot-rodding them will take some serious coin. I commend you for your pioneering spirit, but might it be an uphill battle? When 95naSTA said, "You and bonevilssei are pionering the **** out of the sereis one'*," I had to chuckle a little bit, because the number of guys who are even interested in modding a S1 is declining. The irony here is that the "pioneering" is referring to a technology that'* a decade old! To go back to my analogy, that'* like trying to maximize the potential of an old, outdated computer. It would be cool, but there wouldn't be parts available and few people would really be interested.

So what'* my point in saying all this? I'm not really sure. It'* just what I was thinking as I was reading through the thread. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that DrJay will be one of the fastest Bonnevilles in the world when this is all said and done. But the already-small S1 market is going to keep getting smaller, even with pioneering within this club. I guess these comments have a pretty condescending tone, but I don't mean it that way. Maybe my underlying point is that S1 guys should get in on this stuff while its available, because in the not-so-distant future it'* going to take more than a couple grand to keep a S1 car on the road. I apologize if I offended anyone.... I truly didn't mean any of this in a bad way!
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I apologize if I offended anyone.... I truly didn't mean any of this in a bad way!
You can't offend with the truth. That'* something that many of us S1 guys are coming to terms with, At least there'* enough of us to keep each others' spirits up...
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I understand what you're talking about and it will eventually be an issue but from my experience its not as immediate of a threat as it may seem. The Commodore scene in Australia is actually thriving. Before finding what I did I actually got on Yahoo chat and searched for people in Australia, then pestered them with questions about the Commodore. Several (at least 3) told me things like "yeah they sell parts for that down the street at X shop." Granted though, they are going to the new Ecotec engines which are more popular. I'm sure at one point the support will fade and along with it the parts. But right now there are parts available. I think its nice being able to say you are the worlds fastest of your engine/vehicle year and type. You could dump $30,000 into a Mustang, Camaro, Trans-Am, GTP?, and still not be able to say that. Even relatively mild modifications will make it so you can count on one hand the guys that are faster. To me thats well worth the slight struggle. $20,000 for the Worlds Fastest, or $20,000 for "yeah, but Gary is faster."

Even when they do quit making the parts, if you got in while you could its not really an issue. Cams and rockers aren't exactly 'wear' items...cams somewhat but generally your engine will be shot by that time anyway. Porting never goes out of style, springs will always be available as will valves and 3angle jobs, pistons will almost surely 'always' be available, as will rods. Getting off sized pistons for your overbore will be just as easy...I can't think of a single thing I currently have done to my engine I couldn't do again 20 years from now, or the day my car was made.. I think people put too much emphasis on parts on shelfs anyway. The truth is you can make anything faster. Give me a Plymouth K car. I can up the compression, port the heads and manifold, larger valves, 3 angle job, custom grind on the cam (actually cheaper!)....name it.

My point is, I wouldn't hold back from buying X house because maybe in 3+++ years they'll quit making X houses and I can't buy another one. If anything, that would make me hurry and get one while I can...maybe thats just me though.

(ps. houses make bad use in analogies)
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You make some really good points there. If you can keep finding parts for the S1, by all means stick with it! I wasn't aware that the Commodore was a car. I'm assuming it uses the S1 3800? I wondered why you had to call down to Australia to get parts. Like I said, you make some very valid points about the fact that a lot of things that need to be done to an S1 are "general" procedures that can be done to any powerplant. We're all looking forward to seeing what your Bonnie can do. I sincerely hope you can keep it rolling for another decade. The way I see it the more 3800s we can keep alive, the better.
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