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View Poll Results: Which headers: Pacesetter or TOG's?
Pacesetter 2 22.22%
TOG's 7 77.78%
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Old 02-06-2007, 04:54 PM   #21
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Now with that aside, Im hoping to get as much HP under the hood while still maintaining the daily drivability for now. Who knows what the future holds?????? Maybe a drag only 97 stripped down to only run the 1/4? Who knows? I just know that Ive got the mod bug and I want to do things the correct way. Am I over cautious? You bet!! Its not everyday I have the money to do things like this, heck only once a year during tax time. so I hope you all understand where im coming from
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Well I think I know why so many choose to go SLP. Pat made it very clear to me in a PM.
Care to share that information that affected your decesion.
I believe he quoted it in his post.
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I certainly did.

Todd, Yours is a daily driver too correct?
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Well I think I know why so many choose to go SLP. Pat made it very clear to me in a PM.

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the SLP'* are hella cheaper, and if anything youd be loosing low end because the TOGS...the primaries are very large, 2", 3" crossover, and a 4" outlet....so youd have a 4" outlet going into a 3" cat then a 2. exhaust pipe....dosent make sense, and that is a restriction

ALSO something that is very important is there is NO EGR bult into the TOGS....so you would would have to remove the EGR or disconnect it
I'm struggling to see one accurate 'fact' in that PM.

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Well I think I know why so many choose to go SLP. Pat made it very clear to me in a PM.

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the SLP'* are hella cheaper, and if anything youd be loosing low end because the TOGS...the primaries are very large, 2", 3" crossover, and a 4" outlet....so youd have a 4" outlet going into a 3" cat then a 2. exhaust pipe....dosent make sense, and that is a restriction

ALSO something that is very important is there is NO EGR bult into the TOGS....so you would would have to remove the EGR or disconnect it
I'm struggling to see one accurate 'fact' in that PM.

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i took all of that info from Intense'* Website on the respective headers
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I certainly did.

Todd, Yours is a daily driver too correct?
Yes
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Well I think I know why so many choose to go SLP. Pat made it very clear to me in a PM.

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the SLP'* are hella cheaper, and if anything youd be loosing low end because the TOGS...the primaries are very large, 2", 3" crossover, and a 4" outlet....so youd have a 4" outlet going into a 3" cat then a 2. exhaust pipe....dosent make sense, and that is a restriction

ALSO something that is very important is there is NO EGR bult into the TOGS....so you would would have to remove the EGR or disconnect it
I'm struggling to see one accurate 'fact' in that PM.

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i took all of that info from Intense'* Website on the respective headers
You were comparing the SLP headers to the TOG 'Big Dog' headers, these are two very different applications.

Compare the SLP headers at Intense for $700 to the regular TOGS at ZZP for $750, these two headers are desinged for the same application and are directly comparable. The sizing and features are almost identical.

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I certainly did.

Todd, Yours is a daily driver too correct?
Yes
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Tony.. the main reasoning for being put out by your post is you don't mention any of the information we've discussed. Primarily that no one has attempted Pacesetter. That fact is very well documented on the club and mentioned to you.

Instead the post may look to newbies that there are only two brands to consider when the SLP'* are a very qualified candidate as well.

Putting the little things aside, I personally suggest the TOGs from what I know. I like the connection between piping better. That doesn't mean that I have leaks with SLP'*. I have no issues with the SLP'* that won't be found with any other header at the moment.
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Tony.. the main reasoning for being put out by your post is you don't mention any of the information we've discussed. Primarily that no one has attempted Pacesetter. That fact is very well documented on the club and mentioned to you.

Instead the post may look to newbies that there are only two brands to consider when the SLP'* are a very qualified candidate as well.

Putting the little things aside, I personally suggest the TOGs from what I know. I like the connection between piping better. That doesn't mean that I have leaks with SLP'*. I have no issues with the SLP'* that won't be found with any other header at the moment.
Actually Bill, the slipfit design of the SLP'* is superior to the flange/gasket style of the TOG'* in my opinion. Many people with TOG'* have had to use some sort of sealer around the donut gaskets to get a good leak free seal.

No header is perfect as they all have some things against them but the fact remains that any header is better than PEM or heaven forbid the stock manifolds and ultimately the choice comes down to budget and personal preference.

The fastest Bonneville on the Planet ran the extreme big dog TOG headers simply because no other choice allowed the for the large size those did and it needed large headers.

The fastest daily driven street Bonneville runs SLP headers.

The 202mph Spirit of Bonneville used custom hand built headers.
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