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Old 12-18-2005, 09:04 PM   #11
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I honestly don't know what you all have against the flowmaster. Every member on here seemed to have one until people started switching over to magnaflow and started bashing on flowmaster.

I love my flowmaster and get compliments from every single person that I show it to. I'll be honest, I have never heard a magnaflow IRL, but I can't imagine how something could sound better. I believe my flowmaster is perfect for my car. It isn't too loud, isn't too quiet...the tone is great.

EDIT: I was just listening to vids on Zias' site, one of a 94 SLE with stock resonator and flowmaster, and a vid of VTK 350 with magnaflow. I understand one is blown and the other isn't, and the mic is going to play a huge part in how good it sounds, BUT...

No offense meant, but I think the flowmaster sounds better hands down. IMHO the magnaflow almost sounds like a diesel. Maybe I am wrong...see for yourself.

http://bonneville.fearthepearl.com/index.php?page=mods Scroll down a bit for vids.
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Logan, every one of those clips was shot with a different camera. And mine was shot before the resonator install with a shitty camera. On top of that, each version of the 3800 will sound different, and even the intake design can affect exhaust note. There are so many variables, it'* ridiculous. Some cars had stock resonators, others didn't. That'* a big factor, as is the type or brand of catalytic converter.

And furthermore, Magnaflow'* pretty much pre-date Flowmasters on this site. I also get compliments on the sound of my car.

It'* a no-win situation here.

If you're after sound, pick the one you like, but quit listening to exhaust clips from different cameras on the internet. Get up close and personal with the cars if you can. Otherwise flip a coin.

If you want performance, Magnaflow outflows and outperformas the Flowmaster.

You just need to decide what'* important to you in your exhaust, and choose what suits YOU.
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If you want performance, Magnaflow outflows and outperformas the Flowmaster.
i dont think most of us are going to go with magnaflow just to gain 3.4hp and .7 lb. ft. i dont care about that little hp. plus everybody is always saying that a muffler will make almost no difference.
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If you want performance, Magnaflow outflows and outperformas the Flowmaster.
i dont think most of us are going to go with magnaflow just to gain 3.4hp and .7 lb. ft. i dont care about that little hp. plus everybody is always saying that a muffler will make almost no difference.
3.4 FREE hp for the same price? Why WOULDN'T you? Hell, people buy a $60 underdrive WP pulley to save less than that.
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I honestly don't know what you all have against the flowmaster. Every member on here seemed to have one until people started switching over to magnaflow and started bashing on flowmaster.
wouldnt this be a perfect example of something being better, people used to use flowmaster, and now most people use magnaflow because most members prefer it
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I honestly don't know what you all have against the flowmaster. Every member on here seemed to have one until people started switching over to magnaflow and started bashing on flowmaster.

I love my flowmaster and get compliments from every single person that I show it to. I'll be honest, I have never heard a magnaflow IRL, but I can't imagine how something could sound better. I believe my flowmaster is perfect for my car. It isn't too loud, isn't too quiet...the tone is great.

EDIT: I was just listening to vids on Zias' site, one of a 94 SLE with stock resonator and flowmaster, and a vid of VTK 350 with magnaflow. I understand one is blown and the other isn't, and the mic is going to play a huge part in how good it sounds, BUT...

No offense meant, but I think the flowmaster sounds better hands down. IMHO the magnaflow almost sounds like a diesel. Maybe I am wrong...see for yourself.


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Logan, every one of those clips was shot with a different camera. And mine was shot before the resonator install with a crappy camera. On top of that, each version of the 3800 will sound different, and even the intake design can affect exhaust note. There are so many variables, it'* ridiculous. Some cars had stock resonators, others didn't. That'* a big factor, as is the type or brand of catalytic converter.

If you're after sound, pick the one you like, but quit listening to exhaust clips from different cameras on the internet. Get up close and personal with the cars if you can. Otherwise flip a coin.

If you want performance, Magnaflow outflows and outperformas the Flowmaster.

You just need to decide what'* important to you in your exhaust, and choose what suits YOU.
Thats sorta in a way what I said though. In the small sample of clips, there are far too many variables. I mentioned arguabley (that can't be spelled right) the two biggest variables, camera mic and induction. I still believe you can get a GENERAL idea of what they are going to sound like. I do admit I failed to mention the fact that it is necessary to hear them IRL.



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I honestly don't know what you all have against the flowmaster. Every member on here seemed to have one until people started switching over to magnaflow and started bashing on flowmaster.
wouldnt this be a perfect example of something being better, people used to use flowmaster, and now most people use magnaflow because most members prefer it
My memory is currently failing me, it just seems that everyone on the board was all out flowmaster. Then it seemed that everyone jumped on the magnaflow "bandwagon." Believe it or not this seemed to be right around the time that I got mine, but I may be making the whole thing up. It just seems that there was a big switch.

I suppose you could say that the magnaflow is better, but it hardly seems worth it to put a muffler on your car for performance reasons. It seems logic would tell you it wouldn't give you much (if any) gain until you do things further upstream. Like opening up the intake, porting IM and EMs, hi-flow cat, THEN muffler. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the intake and cat were far more restrictive than the muffler. Logic tells me that until these are opened up, doing things at the end of the line would have marginal gains. But my logic is often flawed.

Teach me.
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I honestly don't know what you all have against the flowmaster. Every member on here seemed to have one until people started switching over to magnaflow and started bashing on flowmaster.
wouldnt this be a perfect example of something being better, people used to use flowmaster, and now most people use magnaflow because most members prefer it
i bet more members here use flowmaster than magnaflow.

also, why do so many other people use flowmaster? i can recall seeing any gp'* with flowmaster. i see a lot of flowmaster. not to mention all the muscle cars and trucks and V8s that still use flowmaster.
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My memory is currently failing me, it just seems that everyone on the board was all out flowmaster. Then it seemed that everyone jumped on the magnaflow "bandwagon." Believe it or not this seemed to be right around the time that I got mine, but I may be making the whole thing up. It just seems that there was a big switch.

I suppose you could say that the magnaflow is better, but it hardly seems worth it to put a muffler on your car for performance reasons. It seems logic would tell you it wouldn't give you much (if any) gain until you do things further upstream. Like opening up the intake, porting IM and EMs, hi-flow cat, THEN muffler. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the intake and cat were far more restrictive than the muffler. Logic tells me that until these are opened up, doing things at the end of the line would have marginal gains. But my logic is often flawed.

Teach me.
i agree with you completely. ppl install a muffler for sound, not hp. plus that 3.4 hp was on a v8 mustang. not a bonnie. i doubt a bonnie would gain that much.
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My memory is currently failing me, it just seems that everyone on the board was all out flowmaster. Then it seemed that everyone jumped on the magnaflow "bandwagon." Believe it or not this seemed to be right around the time that I got mine, but I may be making the whole thing up. It just seems that there was a big switch.

I suppose you could say that the magnaflow is better, but it hardly seems worth it to put a muffler on your car for performance reasons. It seems logic would tell you it wouldn't give you much (if any) gain until you do things further upstream. Like opening up the intake, porting IM and EMs, hi-flow cat, THEN muffler. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the intake and cat were far more restrictive than the muffler. Logic tells me that until these are opened up, doing things at the end of the line would have marginal gains. But my logic is often flawed.

Teach me.
i agree with you completely. ppl install a muffler for sound, not hp. plus that 3.4 hp was on a v8 mustang. not a bonnie. i doubt a bonnie would gain that much.
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My memory is currently failing me, it just seems that everyone on the board was all out flowmaster. Then it seemed that everyone jumped on the magnaflow "bandwagon." Believe it or not this seemed to be right around the time that I got mine, but I may be making the whole thing up. It just seems that there was a big switch.

I suppose you could say that the magnaflow is better, but it hardly seems worth it to put a muffler on your car for performance reasons. It seems logic would tell you it wouldn't give you much (if any) gain until you do things further upstream. Like opening up the intake, porting IM and EMs, hi-flow cat, THEN muffler. I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that the intake and cat were far more restrictive than the muffler. Logic tells me that until these are opened up, doing things at the end of the line would have marginal gains. But my logic is often flawed.

Teach me.
i agree with you completely. ppl install a muffler for sound, not hp. plus that 3.4 hp was on a v8 mustang. not a bonnie. i doubt a bonnie would gain that much.
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