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Old 09-18-2002, 06:21 PM   #1
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I got my Bonny to drive back and forth to work and in the winter so ultimate performance is not my goal. That being said having a little bit more passing power isn't a bad thing. So I did a ram air on it a few days ago. I had a K&N filtercharger tube from my Camaro just sitting in my garage, so I thought this would flow way better then the stock airbox. The K&N cone filter I got for it sits just behind the headlight and the tube curves into the MAF where I also took out the MAF screen. It pulls a little harder now and I don't need to use as much throttle to maintain speed or go up hills etc. If I had to rate the HP I'd say around 10, maybe a couple shy. Haven't had any idle or other problems as I've heard of a few people having after they took out the MAF screen. Anyways just thought I'd share...L8r...Andru.
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AAAAh....Imitation is the greatest form of flattery....I do believe that i *cough* MURDOCK has started something here... :P
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Ok smartasses. Looks like another MAF winner. Near as I can figure, those of us with stock airboxes or modified stock airboxes can't take the screen out without affecting the idle, but those running a cone or a CAI can. Mine is a modified stock box, breathes a TON better, too, but I'm still waiting to see what Ty or angry duck can come up with for a CAI.

Adru, unless you've got a scoop somewhere you didn't tell us about, you don't have Ram Air, but if you do, I wanna know where you put it! I don't have room to route ANYTHING out of the airbox area, as you can see from this photo (no laughing at the web page, I'm in the process of gutting it):

http://home.attbi.com/~bill.wren/

BTW for all you guys waiting for info on my water injection system, look at my pic. You'll see the top of a little water bottle with a breather in the lid right behind the driver'* side strut, and a little 5/32" tube running to the intake. That was prototype #1, and gained 2 pounds of boost on the gauge.

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Ok smartasses. Looks like another MAF winner. Near as I can figure, those of us with stock airboxes or modified stock airboxes can't take the screen out without affecting the idle, but those running a cone or a CAI can. Mine is a modified stock box, breathes a TON better, too, but I'm still waiting to see what Ty or angry duck can come up with for a CAI.

Adru, unless you've got a scoop somewhere you didn't tell us about, you don't have Ram Air, but if you do, I wanna know where you put it! I don't have room to route ANYTHING out of the airbox area, as you can see from this photo (no laughing at the web page, I'm in the process of gutting it):

http://home.attbi.com/~bill.wren/

BTW for all you guys waiting for info on my water injection system, look at my pic. You'll see the top of a little water bottle with a breather in the lid right behind the driver'* side strut, and a little 5/32" tube running to the intake. That was prototype #1, and gained 2 pounds of boost on the gauge.

Eat my steam, non-believers

Holy HOSES batman!! That'* a strange looking air box

alrighty...so you have a '93 SSEi. I can't see in your picture, but I am going to assume that the fog lights are in the middle and close together. Which sucks. However, you can still work with that. Bring a hose down behind the grill and headlights and set it just through your fog light. Not enough so that it'* sticking out, but enough that it is still pulling air. Does that work?
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O.K. it may not be a true ram air, I just called it that. My next goal is to put a scoop/hose to run cold air to the cone. I'll take a closer look to see where the best spot to do that is.
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I have also seen baffles used to grab and force air up. This is also a great way to get air and requires no hoses just donít block the holes already in place. I have a few ideas but havenít tested them all. So wherever you can get alot of air you are set. Personally I am building a baffle system that will flood the area with more air while reducing visible changes and hoses..

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That'* kinda my thoughts. A true ram air with a hood scoop would be great, second would be a hidden scoop somewhere below. I was actually hoping Blk_Bonneville had done some design work for us! Maybe I'm being a little nitpicky, but I've also considered a cooling duct to direct air over the top of the blower. I don't need a barbecue under the hood.
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That'* kinda my thoughts. A true ram air with a hood scoop would be great, second would be a hidden scoop somewhere below. I was actually hoping Blk_Bonneville had done some design work for us! Maybe I'm being a little nitpicky, but I've also considered a cooling duct to direct air over the top of the blower. I don't need a barbecue under the hood.
Have you thought about taking the ram air system box from the 2000+ Grand Am GT system that routes just above the radiator and use that to duct air onto the */C ??
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Hmmmm....how much room....or how tall is it? I may have to go to the junkyard, or have Deathrat look it up for me.
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Hmmmm....how much room....or how tall is it? I may have to go to the junkyard, or have Deathrat look it up for me.
Ask Deathrat to look it up for ya... as far as I know.. they really don't stick up that much.. I just notice that system on a lot of the newer GA with so called ram air.. it basically catches the air between the radiator and the hood, and runs it into the TB, but you would simply just leave it more open and face it towards your */C. you may have a little customizing to do.. but generally it'*( SEEMS ) pretty simple.. as for pricing I have no clue. Stop by a Pontiac dealership and ask to see under the hood of any 2000+ Grand Am GT ( with ram air ) and you'll see what I"m thinking about. You might be even able to copy that idea and find the proper ducting and hoses cheaper.
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