Maf mod - Whatcha think?
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I'm not too sure that this is something that I would dork with. I wish I had a torture car around to try this stuff out, but limited on parking as it is. I also don't honestly think that there would really be anything to gain from this?
Originally Posted by DrJay
Originally Posted by PontiacDad
I read the same article a few days ago DrJay. I agree the throttle body is a limiting factor and the Maf is which translates the air flow into an electrical signal. You would need a mini afc to tune the maf as the maf'* air curve is set in the pcm. By boring out the tb you throw the curve out of wack? One of the problems I've noticed here is Bonne'* eat afc calibraters, they work for a while then die? I'm not sure whats going on in the pcm to do this but suspect it maybe has something to do with the map sensor?
If the flow is strong enough you may also get DTC P0101 'maf sensor performance'
The MAF signal frequency indicates an airflow significantly more or less than a predicted value based upon the barometric pressure, the throttle position and the engine RPM.
Originally Posted by PontiacDad
Originally Posted by DrJay
Originally Posted by PontiacDad
I read the same article a few days ago DrJay. I agree the throttle body is a limiting factor and the Maf is which translates the air flow into an electrical signal. You would need a mini afc to tune the maf as the maf'* air curve is set in the pcm. By boring out the tb you throw the curve out of wack? One of the problems I've noticed here is Bonne'* eat afc calibraters, they work for a while then die? I'm not sure whats going on in the pcm to do this but suspect it maybe has something to do with the map sensor?
If the flow is strong enough you may also get DTC P0101 'maf sensor performance'
The MAF signal frequency indicates an airflow significantly more or less than a predicted value based upon the barometric pressure, the throttle position and the engine RPM.
Is MAF performance something the OBDI monitors? Aparently OBDII does but I haven't heard anything about it on OBDI so I'm not sure.
I guess this is the whole reason its great Dame agreed to do the experiment
Originally Posted by DrJay
Originally Posted by Damemorder
Originally Posted by Twister97
I think I would hold off, until there were some numbers backing this mod up, unless I missed it on his page. Can removing that metal strip actually gain anything at all?
I have a spare TB, get me some suspected numbers and I'll cut it, Otherwise We'll just always wonder.
Stock 3800 vin L throttle body w/ screen -- 419.1 cfm
Stock 3800 vin L throttle body w/o screen -- 444.8 cfm
Originally Posted by Twister97
No, not the maf screen, but that metal strip that dude cut away. The one actually inside the TB.
I've got maybe 5-6hrs of careful grinding and polishing left, It'* purty.
Wouldn't taking off the plate dramatically change the way the air flows over the MAF filaments? It would increase airflow over them by so much, I think you'd exceed the MAF'* capabilities to read.
Originally Posted by jwikoff99
Wouldn't taking off the plate dramatically change the way the air flows over the MAF filaments? It would increase airflow over them by so much, I think you'd exceed the MAF'* capabilities to read.
I was heavily considering doing this to my old spare TB (now in dame'* possesion). However the only tool i have that would be feasable to do this on would be my dremel which wasn't happening.
But it'* a relatively smooth piece inside the TB from what i remember, and if you look at it, the throttle plate will sit behind it as well. So the Throttle plate will still occupy that same area you're cutting out, and it'* not as smooth on the perimter either. Your MAF sensor should still see the same air unless you cut the entire section out of the bore, and the MAF sits exposed (common on some cars).
You could be possibly disrupting your airflow more then stock, and further back on stock, which could hurt N/A motors a lot...
I think the best way to increase CFM in the TB is to get a bigger one, and port your SC or manifold accordingly....
Just my .02 thou..
Jason
But it'* a relatively smooth piece inside the TB from what i remember, and if you look at it, the throttle plate will sit behind it as well. So the Throttle plate will still occupy that same area you're cutting out, and it'* not as smooth on the perimter either. Your MAF sensor should still see the same air unless you cut the entire section out of the bore, and the MAF sits exposed (common on some cars).
You could be possibly disrupting your airflow more then stock, and further back on stock, which could hurt N/A motors a lot...
I think the best way to increase CFM in the TB is to get a bigger one, and port your SC or manifold accordingly....
Just my .02 thou..
Jason


