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Old 02-18-2005, 03:38 PM   #1
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There is an enourmous difference. I do not believe that my old links were even all that horrible, but with these it feels much tighter around turns, as well as high speed lane changes. I am very happy. I will be doing the rears, as soon as I can get the bolts from the dealer.

The only problem with install was that we had to cut the old bolts off with a reciprocating saw. The metal spacer in the middle, had rusted onto the bolt, no amount of heating and beating (hammering it), would get it off. Finally we cut it. The install was pretty easy after that. We had the wheels off, so we jacked up each control arm to allign everything correctly (car was on jack stands).
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Definetly worth the bloody hands.

For those who have done them, which made you feel it more, the rear or fronts?
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Also, I tightened my fronts quite a bit (the bolt was sticking through the nut about 1 cm). Is that fine? I just tried to make sure the bushings did not look too squished.
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All relative here...

Tighter front = more understeer tendency

Tighter Rear = more oversteer tendency


They are nice. Doing the sway bar and links at once, i don't know what contributed the most. Needless to say it was a shocking upgrade.
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I don't think I understand the under/oversteer thing. If you are understeering, does that mean you have excess body flex? If the rear is tighter than the rear, and you have oversteer, does that mean you are having less body flex, or more?


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I'm not saying a front only upgrade will cause an understeer condition, but it will understeer relative to the rear only upgrade. Sway bars don't reduce flex, they control the motion of the control arms in a suspension. Chassis/body flex is also a horrible thing on it'* own, that'* why STB'* are nice.

When I stiffened up only my front, The rear was still soft between the control arms, causing more roll in the rear. Front stays flat while the rear is a little looser. The car felt like it would almost tripod when I was turning with the softer rear.

Nearly every street car sold in the US is built with understeer built into them. It keeps them stable, and it'* harder for the average driver to get in trouble. A larger front anti-roll bar helps with this, but it is also necessary for all the weight up front. Many people who mod suspension, will do this to bring the car to a more neutral set up, or even slight oversteer. Upgrading both sway bars and doing endlinks is GREAT for these cars, it'* so easy to make the car so much better. I think endlinks are something everyone who drives their car hard should have. It'* one of the most fun mods, it'* simple, cheap, and it makes the car safer as well.

From Howstuffworks. I'll be linking this in my FAQ (runs off to start.)
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A stabilizer bar tries to keep the car'* body flat by moving force from one side of the body to another. To picture how a stabilizer bar works, imagine a metal rod that is an inch or two (2 to 5 cm) in diameter. If your front tires are 5 feet (1.6 meters) apart, make the rod about 4 feet long. Attach the rod to the frame of the car in front of the front tires, but attach it with bushings in such a way that it can rotate. Now attach arms from the rod to the front suspension member on both sides.

When you go into a turn now, the front suspension member of the outside of the turn gets pushed upward. The arm of the sway bar gets pushed upward, and this applies torsion to the rod. The torsion them moves the arm at the other end of the rod, and this causes the suspension on the other side of the car to compress as well. The car'* body tends to stay flat in the turn.
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