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Old 10-23-2002, 11:05 AM   #11
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I will say it again zzperformance kit will use a better style of sc and slap it on your car. It includes a few other parts to help the series 2 spin a bit easier. Basically the cost to ad it is worth the performance you get. If you want you can make it work for your series1 non sc Bonneville. ZZPerformance will not be able to help you make their kit work on a series 1 but it can be made to work. Now I also want to mention Hector has been working on some ideas. I know he has the tried and true formula in his head. Yes more air more fuel same engine. Simple as that. I am sure with either a turbo or a aftermarket sc our cars will eventually benefit from some good products from hector, or other ‘fabricators” amongst us. If you want your heads done I can do that for you I can also supply other machining through a same company who machines engines for Rolls-Royce and many Bush league cars. Ok back to watching ed edd n eddy

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...and yes, the compression ratios are different. The NA'* run 9.6:1 (or 9.5, not exactly sure) and the SC'* run 8.5:1 (or something like that). I know that there is a BIG difference but I'm not sure of the exact numbers. Someone help me out here and give the actual compression ratios.
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Thanks Jr. I knew I wasn't too far off.
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Old 10-24-2002, 02:54 PM   #14
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All of the 3.8'* 86-88 are 8.5 to 1all of the NA 3800'* 88-94 are 8.5 to 1.. all of the SC'd 3800'* 92-current are 8.5 to 1.. and the NA 3800 series 2'* are all 9.4 to 1 from 95 on...
So, you are saying then that a NA 3800 in 1994 has an 8.5 to 1 compression AND a SC'd 3800 also has 8.5 to 1 compression? Therefore they are the same? I don't care about series 2 since i don't have one, i have a 94 series 1.

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So with the series1 non-sc you might be able to swap from the head up and swap in the new "black box". I wonder what it would cost?


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yeah, thats what i'm trying to figure out. From what jr's3800 says my 94 series 1 n/a has the same compression as a */c 3800 therefore if i swapped in the Supercharger, intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, exhaust manifold, pulley assembly and brackets and of course the computer from either a 94 or 95 */c 3800 then it should work? i know about the tranny, but lets just stick with engine workins for now.

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Well, If you have the money it might be worth a try. On the other hand, DeathRat works for a GM dealership in the parts department, I think he would know what he'* talking about.

Keep us informed of your progress. If you decide to do it, it would give hope to a lot of NA'd owners!

Good luck!
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I wish i could afford to be the test monkey, cause i would do it. But a little thing called being in college won't let me. That on top of i need my car as transportatoin back and forth and around school so i can't afford to blow something important. I'm just trying to get as much info as i can for a possible summer project.

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Wow, Mike. You really got us going on this one. Here'* my last comment.....yeah, you really got me thinking. Take a look at Ty'* advice on the zzperformance SC. It might be kinda fun to play with. I don't know what kind of boost you can expect compared to an M62 or M90, but it'* worth a look.....OR for the same amount of money, you can do some pretty cool stuff to a NA Bonneville. A couple examples are Turtle_SSE and Complinitor. Both of these guys have some pretty quick cars, and I'd venture to say that Hector'* is, too. Hector'* car will probably end up being the fastest NA we have. When he starts scratching his *** with his magic wand, look out.

Either way you go, these little 6 bangers have a TON of potential. It just depends on which way you want to go. If you can't make up your mind, buy the zzperformance kit, AND go with a cam, lifters, rockers, etc. Oversize the valves a bit......and send any extra cash my way.

Good luck!
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Ok guys tell me if this would work..i think it will with no problems i have at my work a complete 2001 SSE-I bonneville, motor,tranny in suspension cradle, with PCM ,wiring harness everything is there HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM any thoughts on transplant ??????
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