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Old 09-19-2006, 11:24 PM   #1
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ok I was browsing and I came across this set of headers and they are cheap too. Here is the link http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/...roducts_id=118

please tell me if they would fit my 02 sle TIA
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applications:
1997-Current Grand Prix w/ 3800 Engine
1997-2003 Regal w/ 3800 Engine
2000-Current Impala w/ 3800 Engine
2000-Current Monte Carlo w/ 3800 Engine
1997-2005 Bonneville w/ 3800 Engine

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OK....here is the straight poop.

So far, nobody that I know of has tried the Pacesetter headers on a Bonneville. Despite the w-body'* store listing the Bonnie as a current application, Pacesetter'* own site does not.

LIke with any headers developed for the grand prixs and other w-bodies (TOG, SLP etc.), the rear collector is pretty much dead center for those cars whereas the Bonneville rear collector is off-set more to one side. IIRC, this usually involved moving the transmission dipstick and possibly some other minor modifications to make them fit a Bonnie.

Wiht that said, Pacesetter is local to me and I have a pretty good friend that works for them. We have been talking about using my '97 SSEi as a test car (since the beginning of summer) to see about any fitment issues, but to date, I have not found the $ to buy or the time to leave my car at Pacesetters so they could do a test fit.

Whether I purchase the headers, now, or just allow Pacesetter to test fit the system I will talk to Eric again, and see if something can now be arranged to test try their product on my car.
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OK....here is the straight poop.


LIke with any headers developed for the grand prixs and other w-bodies (TOG, SLP etc.), the rear collector is pretty much dead center for those cars whereas the Bonneville rear collector is off-set more to one side. IIRC, this usually involved moving the transmission dipstick and possibly some other minor modifications to make them fit a Bonnie.

Wiht that said, Pacesetter is local to me and I have a pretty good friend that works for them. We have been talking about using my '97 SSEi as a test car (since the beginning of summer) to see about any fitment issues, but to date, I have not found the $ to buy or the time to leave my car at Pacesetters so they could do a test fit.

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is the 97 frame and exhaust passage the same as the 00 + bonnies
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is the 97 frame and exhaust passage the same as the 00 + bonnies
Good question. For the most part, I think they are similar enough to give us confidence that the headers would fit.

I talked with Eric, and he and I are working on a possible plan. I mentioned that the w-body store was advertising their headers for the 97-05 Bonnie'*. He said to call or e-mail the w-body store and ask them if they have had the headers in a Bonneville yet, or if they know of anybody that has put them on their Bonneville/H-body.
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The 97-99 have a front mount that is different from the 00'*. With TOG and SLP installs it requires removal or modification.
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I submitted a tech info about the modifications needed to install TOGs on a 95-99 Bonneville a while back. Bill was telling me it should be burried in the gearhead forum somewhere.
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Thanks guys.

Which year requires removal or modification of the front mount...'97-99 or 00+?

I'll go search the gh forum to see what else I can find.
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00+ do not require it.
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I seached my e-mail and found it:

I installed TOG headers. They differ a little from SLP'* and even more from *&* headers. Allmachtige installed SLP'* on his car. Search for him if you’re trying to get those.
For my TOG'* there were a couple small fitment issues.
First, the front header hits the front transmission shock. It'* just a matter of cutting a 1/4" or so off the top. Here is a pic of the part that I had to cut:
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Another issue was the O2 sensor bung. I had to have it plugged and moved to the other side since the O2 hit the steering rack/engine cradle. I also had to remove a small aluminum heat shield that would have been between the rear header collector and the steering rack. (Very simple, 2 10mm bolts) Here are some pics:
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As with any header, you'll have to elongate the O2 sensor wire harness to reach too.
The last issue is that the downpipe section after the flex is a little low. I had my downpipe cut and welded higher so it wasn't as low.
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