GTP vs SSEi
02-25-2003, 05:42 PM
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speedyguy, you are the great and wise...I honor thee 
I agree that nitrous is just a cheaper way of gaining boat loads of horsepower. Think about it. One time payment of $400 (for my dry system) and $35 each time to fill up my bottle....thats $35 for up to 75hp! Thats so insanly cheap and realistic for performance if you ask me. I compare nitrous to a turbo and supercharger. Each has the ups and their downs. The choice lies with the beholder....of money that is.
Oh and turtle...I really need a bottle heater for mine for its a bit chilly out (high of 7F today...-16C I believe). Remote bottle openers are too much dinero for me.
I agree that nitrous is just a cheaper way of gaining boat loads of horsepower. Think about it. One time payment of $400 (for my dry system) and $35 each time to fill up my bottle....thats $35 for up to 75hp! Thats so insanly cheap and realistic for performance if you ask me. I compare nitrous to a turbo and supercharger. Each has the ups and their downs. The choice lies with the beholder....of money that is.
Oh and turtle...I really need a bottle heater for mine for its a bit chilly out (high of 7F today...-16C I believe). Remote bottle openers are too much dinero for me.
02-25-2003, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by speedyguy
...buy a Canadian Suzuki (bike) and add a turbo to it and blow them all away all day long.
02-25-2003, 10:34 PM
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So either you like the car you have or you don’t. Believe it or not but it is cheaper to buy a fast bike and call it a day. I love the look of the GTP but there are way too many around and the Bonneville feels more individual to me. I am an individual and my cruiser will be very nice as I save and add Domestic Performance parts to it. LOL If you have the budget for a big build and are looking for a end car that is a awesome machine...
I chose the SSEi over the GTP because it is much more unique and better suits my needs. I rarely see another SSEi but GTP'* are everywhere.
I was just impressed how fast the unmodified GTP cars were bragged up in their club.
Even a Series 1 SSEi can take a stock GTP. I've racked up 2 now. Both were fun, and treated me with respect, as I'd expect from a fellow Pontiac driver. But then it'* apples and oranges, right?
02-25-2003, 10:53 PM
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If you have a 1997 to 2002 GTP or GS, your car will run about 14.8 in the quarter mile in stock form. There are lots of variables here, but this is a realistic average based on our experiences. If you have an SSEi, your car will be about one second slower. The Bonnevilles are only a few hundred pounds heavier, but they are slower for several other reasons too:
- additional weight (several hundred pounds)
- poor weight distribution for drag racing (things like the battery in the back seat, aluminum hood, aluminum control arms and aluminum front bumper all work to reduce the percentage of weight on the front tires, resulting in less traction during acceleration)
- larger front brakes (more rotating mass reduces power put to the ground)
- larger tires and wheels (increased rotating mass takes more power to accelerate)
- restrictive PCM (much more aggressive traction control system cannot be overridden by simply pulling a fuse; PCM will actually retard ignition timing if you try to powerbrake the car)
- no Performance Shift function (so shift points are lower and shifts are slower)
- no air opening behind the headlight means that removing the headlight will not give you any cold air
Scott
- additional weight (several hundred pounds)
- poor weight distribution for drag racing (things like the battery in the back seat, aluminum hood, aluminum control arms and aluminum front bumper all work to reduce the percentage of weight on the front tires, resulting in less traction during acceleration)
- larger front brakes (more rotating mass reduces power put to the ground)
- larger tires and wheels (increased rotating mass takes more power to accelerate)
- restrictive PCM (much more aggressive traction control system cannot be overridden by simply pulling a fuse; PCM will actually retard ignition timing if you try to powerbrake the car)
- no Performance Shift function (so shift points are lower and shifts are slower)
- no air opening behind the headlight means that removing the headlight will not give you any cold air
Scott
02-25-2003, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 95BonnevilleSESC
Originally Posted by speedyguy
...buy a Canadian Suzuki (bike) and add a turbo to it and blow them all away all day long.
Back to Bonneville'* however.. since they are heavier then GTP'*.. the added weight must come from somewhere.. so I"m assumin then the Bonneville is generally a bigger car ( room wise) then the GTPs???
Hey.. I can eat Rice.. that'* all I care about ( except the import Suprras, Skyline with the I believe 260DETT engine block that can get insane power with mods)
02-25-2003, 11:47 PM
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So either you like the car you have or you don’t. Believe it or not but it is cheaper to buy a fast bike and call it a day. I love the look of the GTP but there are way too many around and the Bonneville feels more individual to me. I am an individual and my cruiser will be very nice as I save and add Domestic Performance parts to it. LOL If you have the budget for a big build and are looking for a end car that is a awesome machine...
I chose the SSEi over the GTP because it is much more unique and better suits my needs. I rarely see another SSEi but GTP'* are everywhere.
I was just impressed how fast the unmodified GTP cars were bragged up in their club.
Even a Series 1 SSEi can take a stock GTP. I've racked up 2 now. Both were fun, and treated me with respect, as I'd expect from a fellow Pontiac driver. But then it'* apples and oranges, right?
(who has recently started building his 98GTP because the track wants him to put a rollcage in his SSEi 
) has said it better than anyone could. It'* a totally different car. Only the internal organs are the same. If you want to beat a GTP, you'll need some mods. If it'* mod for mod, against a good driver, you'll lose. But it IS possible. Even for a Series 1.
02-26-2003, 12:54 AM
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As only Canadians know it is called the Gixxer!!
And the Canadian options are superior.
I love the spastic power of that Bike, but I wont own one anymore I plan to live until tomorrow.
Ty
And the Canadian options are superior.
I love the spastic power of that Bike, but I wont own one anymore I plan to live until tomorrow.
Ty
02-26-2003, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by turtle_sse
Man do i agree with you Speedguy 
we build our cars up because we`ve found the starting platform we want............like fox-body Stangs ( 84 ) ( my oldest daughters ) and put what we ant in them to make our own statements 
each persons platform is different.should we poop on them cuz thy bought a different car .no just smack `em down on the track.or get smack`d by something faster 
Ty
02-26-2003, 08:43 AM
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When my GTP was stock i beat my girlfriends stock 92 SSEi by about a half car length from 0-60. Now after some of my mods, its no contest. I have yet to race a 00-03 ssei, most are owned by middle aged people that dont want to race. Im not sure what my car runs in a 1/4 mile after the mods but im hoping to go to a track this summer. Anyways i know some of the ssei'* on here would definatly give a gtp a run for there money especially if they are modified a bit.