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Old 11-03-2003, 11:50 AM   #21
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Old 11-03-2003, 05:49 PM   #22
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Let'* fill this thread and send it anyway!!!
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Yea, Wildman, I know. It burns my ***, too. It seems like everywhere I go, people look at me strange when I suggest that there should be some performance parts available for a 3800. I've actually been asked "Why the hell would you want to do that?". Buy a box of rice, though and you can buy 1000 performance parts for it.


I think I'm done ranting for the moment.
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Well intense racing has a set of aftermarket heads. It costs $2k but could add up to 30 whp all depending on your mods. We need to start organizing group buys on performance parts so that way it could be cheaper for all of us.
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Here is a little lesson in performance for our cars. You already experienced the letdown and attitude towards this year of car. Now add the fact most of us will not spend the money to buy a truly good set of heads.

The math.
The engine will not produce much more low end hp with a set of reasonably done heads. Maybe 12-18 hp with heads that will work with a stock engine. Now if you set your engine up to be a very high winder then yes you can utilize gutted heads. You will need a serious power adder to make up for them though.

So get your heads done but the real juice is in a full meal deal. Rockers cams heads and a few other goods. it all comes down to how much money you are wiling to spend. Ask Jay how much he spent. Then when he posts his hp and torque ratings you will see exactly what I am talking about. Also Jay opened up his pistons so his outcome will be far greater then the average stock rebuild.

This is why they wont make heads for our cars who wants to charge a bunch of money and advertise 12-18hp?

The options for our cars continue to be limited but if you can get 10-20 people interested in "fronting" the cost I bet you could get a run of to your spec cams, heads.

I have been looking into many options and really when you want more power ot of these engines you have to ADD and that means SC or Turbo. Once you have done this you can do what was done for the Grand national 3.8 and then the limit is somewhere in the low 9'*.

The attraction of the centrifugal SC is attractive due to its limited piping for a similar power result obtained out of the Turbo. Not as good but close enough for the average.


These poweradders can add the 100 + hp you can sell and is what the customer wants. 3-4000.00 is the normal pricing for these units.

It’* about the same for a turbo give or take a thousand dollars.

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I have been looking into many options and really when you want more power ot of these engines you have to ADD and that means SC or Turbo. Once you have done this you can do what was done for the Grand national 3.8 and then the limit is somewhere in the low 9'*.

The attraction of the centrifugal SC is attractive due to its limited piping for a similar power result obtained out of the Turbo. Not as good but close enough for the average.


These poweradders can add the 100 + hp you can sell and is what the customer wants. 3-4000.00 is the normal pricing for these units.
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If I only had the money.
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Old 11-05-2003, 01:55 AM   #27
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Ty, you were talking in a differnt post about twin screw. How does this work, and is it cheaper than a CSC or turbo? just throwing out ideas here.
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Everything you listed Ty I was going to do that as my Stage II build up. I came to that the grand total of the parts were going to be in the $10k figure. This is why I split up different stages to best match what else I am doing to the car & not wasting my money until I add more things. The labor I am not concerned about cuz my friend & I will be doing the labor.
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Scott was right I do talk alot and I have an opinion about everything..lol but I do my homework and for pistons I suggest that you look into Ross pistons. Competitive pricing and awesome quality. They blow away what is offered on the “other” 3.8l sites and yes I will offer them, but the site is not updated. As it is my computer crashed 4 times today. I need a new one.

Ahhh I have a hard time keeping secrets.. lol If you want a twin screw or aluminum upper intake manifold or sheetmetal upper intake manifold let me know. None ore cheap but they are ready to go. I am just acquiring more money due to costs. Please serious enquiries only and you will need to leave a phone number you can be reached at.

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Scott was right I do talk alot and I have an opinion about everything..lol but I do my homework and for pistons I suggest that you look into Ross pistons. Competitive pricing and awesome quality. They blow away what is offered on the “other” 3.8l sites and yes I will offer them, but the site is not updated. As it is my computer crashed 4 times today. I need a new one.

Ahhh I have a hard time keeping secrets.. lol If you want a twin screw or aluminum upper intake manifold or sheetmetal upper intake manifold let me know. None ore cheap but they are ready to go. I am just acquiring more money due to costs. Please serious enquiries only and you will need to leave a phone number you can be reached at.

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How do you think the aluminum upper intakes will work with the HVII that ZZP offers?
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