I'm shopping for headers and I've heard about these "Speed daddy" ones on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-03...Q5fAccessories

How do these compare with TOGs as far as performance, fit, and ease of installation?

Also how much work is it to get them piped into the rest of the exhaust

One last thing, any way the engine will fit back into the car with the headers on, I wanted to swap the heads and throw the headers on with the motor out to make things easy

when i had the modding bug in my GP i heard nothin but trouble about cheap ebay headers

thats what I'm trying to find out now so I don't end up buying 3 sets of headers

The only down side I have heard about the speed daddy headers is sealing the cross over pipe. You may need to pick up better clamps, but that'* about it.

do they actually just fit onto bonnevilles? same as GPs?

Thats not too bad then, other than having to get fancy with the outlet piping they shoudl fit right?

The will actually fit in a Bonneville a little better. more room on a H body. However, I'm not sure if the transmission dip still will be a problem. I know when I installed my TOGs I had to switch to a Wbody dip stick. It'* not a big deal, just a little messy.

yeah we had the tranny dipstick issue while installing the togs on my brothers 06 GP

we ended up cracking it lol

I've done TOGs on a Regal, that was real fun and we bought the bent dipstick ahead to have it

No chance the motor will go in from the top of the front end with the headers bolted up?

I don't think it will, but can't say for sure. But if you lay the rear header in place and then lower the engine in, then pull the header in to place, that should work.