Performance, Brainstorming & Tuning Talk about modifications, or anything else associated with performance enhancements. Have a new idea for performance/reliability? Post it here. No idea is stupid! (please use Detailing and Appearance for cosmetic ideas)

Drivetrain loss?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 11:41 AM
  #1  
willwren's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 11
Likes: 13
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default Drivetrain loss?

Anyone know what % a typical bonneville loses before it puts the power to the ground? The % difference typical between crank hp and torque and wheel hp and torque?

I've heard as high as 25%, but don't see much out there on it.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:12 PM
  #2  
dbtk2's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 3,022
Likes: 1
From: Holt, MI & Lima, OH
dbtk2 is on a distinguished road
Default

Between 18 & 20%.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:17 PM
  #3  
LittleHoov's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,493
Likes: 0
From: Climax Springs, Missouri
LittleHoov is on a distinguished road
Default

so were losing like 46 ft lbs of torque?! so its only putting like well in my case like 184 lbs of torque to the ground? or am i confused beyond measure.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:20 PM
  #4  
Jim W's Avatar
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 2
From: Mississauga, Ontario
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

The power at the crank and the power to the ground are totally different, now imagine lesser cars with WAY less torque...only getting double digits to the ground
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:24 PM
  #5  
dbtk2's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 3,022
Likes: 1
From: Holt, MI & Lima, OH
dbtk2 is on a distinguished road
Default

so were losing like 46 ft lbs of torque?! so its only putting like well in my case like 184 lbs of torque to the ground? or am i confused beyond measure.
Thats exactly right. For instance if you make 200hp on the dyno it sounds a little low, when really the engine is putting out 250. If you make 320hp to the wheels the engine is putting out 400hp! That is why I have always said Series II L67'* have way underrated torque, because GM rates them at 280lb.ft, but I have seen stock L67'* pull 270lb.ft to the wheels which is over 330lb.ft at the crank. Once you get up into high horsepower numbers it gets really really crazy.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:33 PM
  #6  
TaylorD's Avatar
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,712
Likes: 0
From: Chicagoland
TaylorD is on a distinguished road
Default

Very interesting. On my Aurora when I dynoed it I figured and many others that a Northstar weither 4.0 Aurora or 4.6 caddy will lose 24% through a 4t80-e tranny. My baseline dyno was 190HP at wheels =250 crank. I'm sure Jim liked this little fact.
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:36 PM
  #7  
Jim W's Avatar
Senior Member
Expert Gearhead
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 20,893
Likes: 2
From: Mississauga, Ontario
Jim W is on a distinguished road
Default

Da na na na na HEY da na na na na na HEY



190 HP at the ground is nice...still 35HP more then my 89 ( and it was 165 at the crank)

Thanks for that little tid bit Taylor...
Reply
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 10:45 PM
  #8  
LittleHoov's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,493
Likes: 0
From: Climax Springs, Missouri
LittleHoov is on a distinguished road
Default

so im guessing the numbers that GM advertises are at the crank? to make it sound more impressive.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2003 | 12:40 AM
  #10  
J Wikoff's Avatar
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,433
Likes: 2
J Wikoff is on a distinguished road
Default

me too, 85 Buick Somerset, 92hp. My first car.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:30 AM.