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Old 11-06-2004, 12:27 PM   #11
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Hmm.Just realized you need rockers too.
but considering that without rockers, PCM, and whatever else you've done, a 14.4 in extreme heat is mighty impressive.
Ya rockers...or a cam, would be nice but more of a want than a need until next race season.
I did have a DHP PCM when I ran the 14.4. It will serve as a great comparison to see what time I run next year. I still have the spare DHP programmed PCM on the shelf for future use if necessary.
So now I have 2 computers that are Case Learned for my car. It takes a month to send one away for reprogramming and get it back, so having a spare is very valuable.

I can't wait to test this new one to prove that the dreaded torque management has been managed.
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Two PCM'* is a must in my case too. That'* why I just picked one to send in to Intese in a month or two.
Nice Turbo T-bird there. My brother had a 1984 with the 2.3 Turbo and 5-speed. I never imagined a 2.3L 4-banger in a car that big could be so peppy. Too bad not so favorite hillbilly aquaintences of his thought he had parked the car in front of my uncles shop for them to take out for a joy ride, where they proceded to blow the head gasket, crack the head, and sieze the motor up. Would have thought they would have known the car was at the shop for a new clutch (it was sitting on the drivers seat, so they had to see it when they got in and hotwired it).



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Old 11-06-2004, 11:37 PM   #13
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Looking good, unfortuntily if you ever have to swap back PCM'* you will need to get another Case learn done,,,,,,,unless your crankshaft is in the same position as when you took it out the first time

Spring time I'll get a new cone filter, will look into getting one with the top open as well like yours.
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That Turbo bird when home in shame with an attitude. Quite literally, after losing to 2 of our SSEi'* at Woodburn. I think Paul was the first to take him down. After PontiacDad took him out, he left.
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Looking good, unfortuntily if you ever have to swap back PCM'* you will need to get another Case learn done,,,,,,,unless your crankshaft is in the same position as when you took it out the first time
No that'* only true after two PCM'*. The car is able to learn with two without doing a case relearn.

I checked for codes and there are none and the SES light didn't come on like when I needed to do the Case Learn on the DHP supplied PCM.
The one INTENSE burned was my cars original. It'* back in it'* saddle again and the car is loving it.
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or do the MAF mod if we find any benefits.
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That Turbo bird when home in shame with an attitude. Quite literally, after losing to 2 of our SSEi'* at Woodburn. I think Paul was the first to take him down. After PontiacDad took him out, he left.
Thats awesome. Can you say
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that car must be loving the weather lately... unless ofcourse your getting snow while it'* been raining here

next mods... rockers... and haul out the dremel ...seriously though at the level your at now... head work and/or rockers ... a larger Tb (probabaly custom adapt) and LS1 maf (check out something called "Translator Plus" theres a model made to put LS1 and LT1 MAF'* on turbo buicks and now */C 3800'* )

http://www.ramchargers.com/cgi-bin/n...468&cat2=25469
(should be the last one on the list for that link.... this particular site I can't find the L67 specific one)

"The Translator + is a stand alone unit that attaches to the stock wiring harness on a Turbo Buick, LT1 powered F or B body and now on the L67 supercharged V6 GTP or GSE."

the turbo buick guys love the thing cause it allows them to run a way larger maf ...get a readily available MAF (the buick 3.8 MAF is no longer produced) ... and

" It'* simple operation allows you to adjust the air fuer ratio andspark timing across the RPM band. Timing can be advanced or retarded up to 14 degrees. A variable retard based on RPM is also availble for NOS or Supercharged applications Timing can be advanced at the low end and then retarded at higher RPMS or it can be tailored in other ways to suite any needs. The air fuel ratio can also be tuned using the Translator to make different parts of the RPM bands richer or leaner."


now with all that said... I don't think your gonna see any more large improvements until the rest of the engine breathes better ... so again ...haul out the precision grinding devices... hit the heads, */c , match up a larger TB... to the LS1 maf... and I think you'll see big *** gain... just in time to shell out for an aftercooler and another pulley
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that car must be loving the weather lately... unless ofcourse your getting snow while it'* been raining here

next mods... rockers... and haul out the dremel ...seriously though at the level your at now... head work and/or rockers ... a larger Tb (probabaly custom adapt) and LS1 maf (check out something called "Translator Plus" theres a model made to put LS1 and LT1 MAF'* on turbo buicks and now */C 3800'* )

http://www.ramchargers.com/cgi-bin/n...468&cat2=25469
(should be the last one on the list for that link.... this particular site I can't find the L67 specific one)

"The Translator + is a stand alone unit that attaches to the stock wiring harness on a Turbo Buick, LT1 powered F or B body and now on the L67 supercharged V6 GTP or GSE."

the turbo buick guys love the thing cause it allows them to run a way larger maf ...get a readily available MAF (the buick 3.8 MAF is no longer produced) ... and

" It'* simple operation allows you to adjust the air fuer ratio andspark timing across the RPM band. Timing can be advanced or retarded up to 14 degrees. A variable retard based on RPM is also availble for NOS or Supercharged applications Timing can be advanced at the low end and then retarded at higher RPMS or it can be tailored in other ways to suite any needs. The air fuel ratio can also be tuned using the Translator to make different parts of the RPM bands richer or leaner."


now with all that said... I don't think your gonna see any more large improvements until the rest of the engine breathes better ... so again ...haul out the precision grinding devices... hit the heads, */c , match up a larger TB... to the LS1 maf... and I think you'll see big A$$ gain... just in time to shell out for an aftercooler and another pulley
3800'* with a 3 wire maf already have an afc. Tech edge makes it. ZZP sells it.
You should grind out the huge hump there for the maf sensor, that thing is huge.
And with all your supporting mods a cam or rockers would really help out your performance.
In other words.... CAM IT!!!!!
I'm sure you already have something up your sleeve.
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that car must be loving the weather lately... unless ofcourse your getting snow while it'* been raining here
Yup. Lovin it. Remember I live in Powell River just across the water from you. I doesn't snow here.....just rain, rain, rain.

I was going to do rockers, springs and rods after the Lsd is installed but now I'm having second thoughts. With such an increase in ratio, it must really stress the valvetrain and induce extra wear on the valve guides. A cam would be a better choice but that means a major teardown that I'm not going to do on such a fresh engine.
I may just stop where I'm at and enjoy what I have while the transmission is still trouble free.

I'm beginning to lust after a newer model rear drive V8. It may be a couple more years, so I should start saving now.
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