for anyone following the better brakes post, I apoligize on my part and several others part if it started to sound like a flame. I did find out recently that EBC Greenstuff pads are no longer available (after ordering a set yesterday and finding them to be out of stock and discountinued) I will now have Greenstuff pads on my front axle and Hawk HPS pads on the back with my Powerslot rotors. Whoever is right or wrong in the post doesnt matter as much as I posted a suggested buy of the EBC pads, which are no longer available, sorry if this inconvenienced anyone in any way.