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Old 01-21-2006, 09:44 PM   #1
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I'd like to get more juice out of my 3800. Would supercharging be unfeasible? I can't imagine it to be as much of an undertaking as supercharging a different car(let'* say, a civic) that doesn't offer a supercharged stock version. What would this entail? I know I would obviously need the supercharger itself, probably a better radiator or intercooler, and probably a new chip. Am I missing anything? I would imagine that the block and pistons should support boost... I have read on this board that this isn't a worthwhile undertaking, but I'd like to see for myself.
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you will need ALOT of parts.....you basically need the L67 (supercharged engine) WIreharness, Transmission, and the PCM......and then matching the dash wires into the new Engine harness.....its better to sell your car and buy an SSEI
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Would supercharging be unfeasible?
Yes It would be cost prohibitive to do it right for starters. It would be feasable & make more sense to trade in for an SSEi. That'* just my .02
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Search is your friend.

Also check out www.l67swap.com
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it is doable without swapping the whole transmission and engine for about $1200 in parts through www.zzperformance.com however they are only selling the parts installed at there shop. Also, it is recommended to have some transmission work done to handle the new 70ish horsepower.
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it is doable without swapping the whole transmission and engine for about $1200 in parts through www.zzperformance.com however they are only selling the parts installed at there shop. Also, it is recommended to have some transmission work done to handle the new 70ish horsepower.
To add to this, it'* a low-boost kit, and you have to provide other parts to complete the deal. By the time you add all the costs (keeping in mind this kit is NOT FOR SALE and has been in development far too long), you could easily sell your SE and buy an SSEi for the same price. You'd have full boost capability, a trans designed to handle the power, and all the bells and whistles that come extra on the SSEi.

Toasty stated 70ish horsepower. This can't be quite right. There is only a 35hp difference between the L36 and L67, and my understanding is that the kit ZZP is trying to put together will operate under limited boost.

You need to buy:
M90 SuperchaZZP will soon release the most anticipated aftermarket product ever for the 3800 market.

M90 Supercharger
L67 lower intake manifold
Custom PCM
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Each year of car will need a slightly different kit, each make of car will need a slightly different kit. There will be multiple stages of the kits available. The stage 1 kit will work on a bone stock GT, include a 4.2" pulley, produce 5 pounds of boost and drop most GTs about .5-.7 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
A stock L67 runs 8 pounds of boost. And the trans will last longer. But ultimately:
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ZZP will soon release the most anticipated aftermarket product ever for the 3800 market.
Note SOON. This kit is primarily for the guy who has alot of money to spend, and is 'hooked' on his esisting L36 car to the point he wouldn't trade it for an L67 powered car. There is a market for it, but from a practical sense, there are other options.

I'm not sure I'd consider installing it on a high-mileage trans without a good rebuild first, and that'* a couple grand more on top of it all.
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Does'nt the L32 haver a higher compression ratio which would produce the same power at a lower boost?
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They have a Gen V Eaton on top, which produces a higher Volumetric Efficiency (VE).
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i was a bit tired, so im not sure why i posted 70hp...

but from the zzp web site, gains are just over 40 horsepower.. the higher compression ratio is supposed to add 5% more power than a L67 with identical mods.

i priced out the entire kit which includes about 6 parts listed in different places on zzp and it was $1239 for ALL the parts needed to convert an L36 to a M90 setup (this includes supercharger core)
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It should be pointed out that the price you quoted does NOT include labor, and the kit is NOT available. They're still sorting out problems. It'* still cheaper to sell your car and buy an SSEi.
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