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Old 05-02-2010, 12:10 AM   #11
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I am inflamed as anyone about our Immigration Laws and the situation of illegal people on our soil. But I can really see a valid point in Holders disagreement with that particular law. We are handing over our rights here one at a time over the last 10 years at an incredible rate. The law has some very good points. But I see one negative that really weighs hard on my mind. I wonder how effective it will be or be used. And the cost of it is great. When careful examination of it is done, it throws out the Federal Right against illegal search and seizure based on a Police Officers Discretion. When do we end giving up our secure rights in the name of terrorism, illegal immigration, and general security. When they are all gone?
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It is about money.... Follow the Money and it will show why it is allowed to happen.
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I got my citizenship one year ago in January. The process was simple - just wait 15 years, send lots of letters, employ lawyers, pay some more people, fill out forms, wait, etc. Eventually, it happened and now I'm a US citizen. This process is fairly typical of most countries' immigration policies, probably too relaxed, but it'* overall decent. However, I have no family history here or anything of that sort.

On the other hand, the Spanish were there first. They had the Viceroyalty of New Spain covering a ton of land in the 1500s. Due to wars all over the place, they settled down but still covered today'* Southwest US. Mexico continued having political conflicts and even had its northern-most area try to split off, among others. More on this soon. The northern-most area was sparsely populated, and no one had found anything great to do with the land at that point. The US wanted to expand over with Manifest Destiny in mind, and US residents moved in with the promise that they would adapt to the new area and swear allegiance to the new land. When the furthest-north area broke off from Mexico, it ended up being temporary. They broke off at the same time as three others, including the Baja peninsula. This split up Mexican forces as they spread out to try to conquer back all those places. The immigrants that had come in from the US ended up not choosing the side of their new country but instead of the US. We see this kind of dedication with Hispanic immigrants retaining allegiance to their respective countries.

Because so many former US residents were in the newly split-off area of former Mexico, the US simply decided to annex the land to itself. Lawyers immediately set in. Under Mexican and then newly independent governance but with Hispanic rule, there were valid land contracts. With the US moving in, these contracts were deemed invalid by lawyers and were thrown out in courtrooms. All the Mexican families there were allowed to stay, not deported to Mexico, but they lost all their pueblos and farmlands. Whereas they lived in such a way that they had housing, communal areas, and farmlands, new land deeds allowed white US citizens to take out all of these and settle in their own ways. With the gold rush that came not too long after, the whole area was dismembered and the Mexicans hired out to the SE to build railroads. The US later played with different demographics to see which ones worked most efficiently for the least pay and where, but basically the Mexicans ended up being spread out to wherever it was most convenient, or far away from their lands.

Also, the Texas-Mexico border was supposed to be much further North of the Rio Grande. The US fought to shove back the Mexican border. In return for this and other difficulties that Hispanics faced, they were allowed work visas and ultimately citizenship for lawful work like building railroads and other infrastructure. And at times, the US opened the border to immigrants from Hispanic countries in general. They simply had to walk in, be deloused, and they'd be granted citizenship. This was erratic behavior on behalf of the US immigration policies since they would allow sometimes and disallow sometimes this type of immigration. What'* considered illegal and hideous enough today to allow Arizona to pass such a law was actually perfectly normal less than a century ago.
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So you're saying EVERY child born in America shouldn't be a citizen?
Lol, I was drunk posting.


but I do believe that a child should be born with the same citizenship as their parents. If an american citizen had a child in another country, it is not like they cannot bring their child back into this country......
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You automatically have American citizenship through a few different ways. 1) If your parents are American citizens. 2) If you're born on US soil. (States, overseas base, US Embassy, etc). That'* the only two ways I can think of.

If your parents are both German citizens only, but they have you in the States while on vacation or whatever, you then have dual-citizenship to both countries while your parents still only have German citizinship. I think that'* just fine.
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No, I do realize that. My point is many people cross the border so they can have children here and their children can have american citizenship. This situation is aggravated by the fact that then we don't deport them, because we can't deport their children. The point I was trying to make is that children should ONLY have the citizenship of their parents.
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Isn't it that they don't get dual citizenship, these kids that are born here, so that they can go back? If not, and they get just US citizenship, which is more likely, then the parents can't leave.
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If we were to evade the laws in other countries and enter those countries illegally, do you think we would be treated kindly and in the manner that those who enter this country illegally are? Hell no! You'd be lucky to see the light of day after being thrown in prison, or you would be tied to a stake and shot as a spy.
Isn't that what happened to the 2 us journalist who where in North Korea. They enetered the country illegally. I see it this way. They entered somewhere they were not supposed to be by intruding on someone else property without permission.

I was made and born here in Massachusetts from my parents who came from Portugal and did it the right way. They applied to be resident aliens and worked like hell their first 4 years here to survive. They worked in the local mills and my father who was working for a fabric company decided it was time to start a family and they had their 1st child. Soon after they realized they were going to need alot more money so my mother applied to be a us citizen and was granted citizenship. And learned accounting and typing and got a job working for a local credit union and my father seeing what America had to offer applied for a loan to start a business. He has now owned this business for 18 years and believed in this country when he got here and knew he was going to make something of himself. He hates the fact that these people are coming across and giving total disrespect to what this country has become. He said the statue of liberty was a symbol of people coming over and doing it the way it is supposed to be done. Not sneaking into the country between the floorboards of a dodge dakota or arriving by digging a hole under a fence.

My solution is place 5' H x 6' W signs side by side the length of the border to the US. Saying "Do not cross DANGER." When they attempt to jump over the sign they are most likely going to break or damage the sign. At that point a sniper has a right to shoot that person. As if I am in my home and intruder breaks in I have a right to shoot this person. These people are breaking into our "homes" and we have a right to defend it.

We don't need no stinking paper. DAMN RIGHT YOU DO. GET THE HELL OUT AND GO THROUGH THE LINE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

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Maybe, we should put them all on reservations! That is what happened to my fathers family... Hmmm...
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We don't need no stinking paper. DAMN RIGHT YOU DO. GET THE HELL OUT AND GO THROUGH THE LINE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
While I don't share your style, I share your enthusiasm and straightforwardness.

My father risked his life at gun point to get out of a communist Romania in the late 80'*, ran away, and did everything the proper way. He waited his 7-9 months to go into the US, started with $100, and over 2 years, made enough money to bring us over from Romania, which were at the time myself at 5-6 years old, my mom, and my sister at 3 years old. My dad left when she was 1 year old. After filing the proper paperwork and waiting our time, we were called in, and one by one, we became American citizens. I became a citizen at the age of 13 or 14, I forget which. My family has always done thing the legal and right way. We've always paid taxes, we've never taken any money we didn't deserve, and we've been fair.

I don't have anything against Mexican people in general, but when they come into our country and use our resources, our land, and have the audacity to drive without licenses, without insurance (and often poorly at that), and reap the benefits that WE pay taxes for, it rubs me the wrong way. They do nothing but leech on our society. We pay property and income taxes, so they should too. I know how hard my parents worked to get to where we are now and how many sacrifices and risks we've taken as a family to do it the right way, so I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone trying to get into this country illegally.

That being said, I support Arizona'* initiative. I agree with Venom'* concerns, and I do sincerely hope that people have the decency not to take this power out of context, but the US government is doing nothing to protect our borders. Arizona is taking it into their own hands because they're getting fed up with it.
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