But what if they do have a TON of engine mods, like a turbo, NOS, rebuilt engine, plenty of performance parts? I just think it'* someone who wants to take the only car they could afford (IE a honda civic) which is one of the most common cars on the road, with plenty of aftermarket support, but doesn't care about the driving experiecnce, just numbers. Yeah a nice interior is fun, and can look great, but things like neon pink and green? At the speeds any of these "ricers" go they will feel no effect from a body kit, or a wing, maybe an intercooler or radiator will benefit. Making them as loud, and as high pitched as possible to mock an F1 car or sport bike also blows my mind. F1 cars have V10'* and cart has V8 (i believe) Stickers are another big "ricer" thing. I've actually seen a car that had a "The Fast and the Furious" sticker in the movie font and text and all on it'* rear quarter panel, that was good for a laugh all the way to work..... I don't see why this thread should be blocked, it'* nice to get out some stories we have about ricers, and what we don't like to see personally.

PS: i also saw 5 or 6 Cavalier owners at the local checker auto parts last thursday night. They were talking with two firebird owners, and these cavaliers were pretty close to that rice edge.... Definently stuff i will never do to a car... I shoulda talked to them and asked what they thought of a bonneville.. But then again i didn't know who owned the firebirds or the cavs...

A ricer on this site is any car that is a import. It doesnt matter if it is nice, ugly or stock its all rice. Thats the funny part. I dont understand that a person builds his car to his own personal taste and the outcome is tasteful, its automatically considered rice. Yes there are cars out there that are ugly to the point where it makes you vomit, but its the nice ones that get made fun of I dont understand. But most of the mods done on this site are what you see done on imports but it is not considered rice. Why this is I have no clue. Cuz to me alot of the people in here fall into the same category which is that the Bonneville will decimate any car out on the road that is an import or other cars. Thats why I dont read the kill section often. Cuz if they get killed then theres always an excuse, if the beat them they like to brag on how the beat them by 20 car lenghts. Im sure Ill be getting flamed after posting this but its the truth.

I don't think a lot of people here consider what they do to their cars the same thing as people with imports. Aside from that one guy who put a wing, two fart cans and flame paint job on you wont see an giant useless aftermarket wing, a silly paintjob that is brighter then most produce sections, and cars that sound like a bad whoopee cushion. I do see your point about customizing the car to personal preference. But most of us Bonne owners like a car with soul, something that can hold more then 2 people comfortably, is a hoot to drive still, and looks great. I love cars that have a nice deep rumble to the exaust, but not too loud, i love the steering, and the looks are very nice. I'm not gonna put a body kit on my car, or a giant wing that will hold my rear down on my FWD car... Most "rice" is all about the "race" parts. They don't have leather seats or heated mirrors, or a HUD. They have hard racing seats, racing belts, and extra tachs. People who frequent these boards want a car that has the american feel to it with lots of torque right off the line, a nice exaust note with umph behind it, and a very comfy ride that is still driveable for a whole day in the seat. But thats just how i see things..

But most people on here rip on the imports for putting on parts that arent functional right? Not trying to start a war but using this as an example. What about hood scoops that dont even work, wether its work in progress or not. That just like people that put on body kits that arent painted to match the car right? Well not according to some people on this board. To me it doesnt matter wether its a work in progress or thats how they want it. Its their car and youll only see it a couple of minutes every time you do see it. So why sit here and complain about it, if it bothers you that much go give the person money so it doesnt bother you anymore. Another example the guy with the flame job. When he first posted it people were givin him compliments, and then after he left the board or tried selling his car people start to rip on him. But yes majority of the car that are paint a loud color are cars that enter shows. If you look through imprt magazines all true show cars are painted a bright color, thats so they stick out more than the other cars. Just like in the Fast & Furious the cars were painted brighter colors, while all the buildings were painted duller colors so the cars stick out more.
My last example goes back to the movie. Everbody rips on the movie and how fake it was on the import side but nobody here rips on the Charger. The wheelie it did had a prop underneath it to lift it like that just got deleted by computers. It stalled everytime it did it. Plus nobody said how fake it was for him to throw a rod and still pull on the supra when he was spraying. As well as when his cabin did start to smoke, the smoke just sat there when he was shiftin with windows down goin 140 fake m.p.h. It all pretty much comes down to give credit where credit is due. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it falls into the rice category.

http://community.webshots.com/user/stojic187
Just go in the photo albumn Xtreme and click on the Charger pic and youll see what I am talking for those that didnt know already.

I love both domestics and Imports but what you just posted illustrates what an outdated view people have of Japanese cars and their American Car.

It was specifically that one line about "the american feel to it with lots of torque"

American Car
2003 Bonneville SSEi
240 HP@ 5200 RPM,280lb/ft.@3600RPM

Japanese Car(Rice)
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII
271 hp @6500 RPM, 272.9 lbs/ft @ 3500 RPM


2003 Subaru WRX STi
300 hp @6000 RPM, 300 lbs/ft @ 4000 RPM



The reason I picked these three is because they are all the top cars in their product line. The main reason that I wrote this was not to jump on anybody but to instead illustrate that the view of only American cars having torque available is quickly becoming extinct. Once again I am not attacking anyone bit but merely expressing my opinion but the other part about unlike the Japanese the Bonneville is still a hoot to drive, man you have to go drifting, it is one very fun driving experience unique to Japanese cars

Ok i'm sorry for it being so long, it'* my first post of the night besides my clay one i started...I didnt see any official specs on those two cars, and yes i would love to have either of them, I didn't think turbo'd cars would have that much torque.... Specially with that little displacement, anyways i know what drifting is... IMHO there are 3 camps for cars (in general, but of course there are more, and these don't apply to everyone) You have the people who do nothing to their car, which is most of the population. The second group has a lot to do with what most people would call ricers here. Not all "ricers" are included in this, but i think the second group would be people who mod up and clean up their car for other people, or to fit into a clique or social ring etc. The last group is people who do things soley for the driving experience, and for themselves. Very few people fit into one of these categories, but i think of them as a couple places to think of. I'm a track style driving kinda guy, i love a nice chicane, or hairpin (in drifting like you mentioned) and i don't want my car to be flashy. I love the bonneville look, and to me it falls into the BMW 5 series style of car, sans RWD of course (which i would prefer to have in the summer).

Oh i lov e a lot of imports, i'm not against them, i'm just not thrilled when i see a $2k civic with rims that cost as much as the car did used. I also don't like cars that look like they've had more nose jobs them Michael Jackson... But Nothing wrong with a nice 2 dr accord with a V6 and manual tranny with some nice dual exaust and a nice set of 17"-18" rims for going around a nice windy road. And yes i know it would kick the crap out of my car in any race, but it'* a lil small for me...

here'* my definition of stupid ricers. If somone is going to put a body kit, and wing on their car, they better have done something under the hood. If they loose to a 3.8 L bonnie se, then they are a stupid ricer. If you have a wing and a body kit on your car, as far as i'm concerned, you should be able to beat me. If not, your a stupid kid that wasted his money. The ricers that beat me, i respect. The ones i beat, i laugh at.

good point. Although any Bonne should be able to take any of those cars (well the ones kids can afford atleast) stock for stock.

Thats all i got to say!

who else knows a family car that can haul groceries like you wouldnt belive, beat a half@$$ ricer out there?? i dont know of any.....hehe

I know someone is definetly going to DISagree with me...but this is what I always grew up thinking and i think i'm going to stick with it...for now, anyway...
to me, basically any import is rice, some a LOT more than others, and I don't like them....i have seen very very very few imports that are appealing to me. Sure, specs sound ok, but the body style just turns me away. I'm strictly a GM girl