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Old 03-31-2005, 11:02 AM   #1
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Default Tranny fluid in a S10 can someone help?

My truck is at the tranny shop for hard cold shifts on my 98' 2.2l 5spd.
Tranny looks just fine they said.

It has gear oil in there now.....but it is very tough to shift when cold and sometimes gets a light grind.

We can't find in the owners guide what fluid is supposed to be in there?
He thinks ATF should be in there....or something called syncros fluid I think he said.

Dealer wasn't much help.....anyone have a resource?
What should I have put in....does anyone know the correct fluid/brand/weight?

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If it'* a 5-speed, it isn't ATF. Time to find another mechanic. Unless GM did something really weird, it should be a heavy gear oil of some kind.

Hard to get in gear when cold would be more of a clutch problem than a trans problem in my mind.
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Hard to shift when cold isn't really a problem, especially in trucks. It'* a "feature". (Kinda like all the "features" in windows)

From my experience, just a tranny oil change should make a world of difference (I driven quite a few old trucks with sticks). It'* a PITA, but well worth the effort. Your owners manual, if available, or even a Haynes should get you the proper weight of oil.
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Maybe this will help

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d8018ad82.jsp

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Manual Transmission
GM *-Series Pick-ups and SUV'* 1994-1999 Repair Guide


FLUID RECOMMENDATIONS

On 1994-99 vehicles equipped with a New Venture Gear 3500/1500 and 1996-97 Borg Warner 5 speed manual transmission, use Synchromesh transmission fluid GM part No. 12345349 or its equivalent.

Using the incorrect lubricant in your transmission can lead to significant transmission damage and a costly overhaul.

LEVEL CHECK

See Figures 1 through 5


Fig. 1: Location of the manual transmission filler and drain plugs

Fig. 2: Clean the area around the filler plug with a rag

Fig. 3: Using a 17mm Allen wrench, remove the filler plug

Fig. 4: Insert your pinky finger into the hole (being very careful not to cut yourself on any sharp edges) and check that the fluid is level with the bottom of the hole

Fig. 5: If the level is incorrect, add fluid until it just starts to seep from the hole

Remove the filler plug (usually with a 17mm Allen wrench) from the side of the transmission (usually located on the passenger'*-side of the housing). If the transmission housing contains 2 plugs, the lower is a drain plug, while the upper plug is the filler. The oil should be level with the bottom edge of the filler hole. This should be checked at least once every 6000 miles (9600 km) or if leakage or seepage is observed. If the oil level is below the bottom edge of the filler hole, add the recommended lubricant until the proper level is reached. Most parts stores will carry a small, hand operated pump which will greatly ease the task of adding fluid to the transmission.

When checking the fluid, the vehicle must be level. If it was necessary to raise and support the vehicle to access the filler plug, the vehicle must be supported at sufficient points (all wheels or 4 points on the frame) so it is sitting level and is not tilted forward/backward or to one side.


DRAIN AND REFILL

See Figures 6, 7, and 8


Fig. 6: Using a 17mm Allen wrench, loosen, but do not remove the drain plug

Fig. 7: Unscrew the drain plug by hand, and remove it from the transmission quickly to avoid it running down your arm

Fig. 8: Allow the fluid to completely drain into a suitable container before replacing the drain plug


Under normal conditions, the manual transmission fluid should not need to be changed. However, if the truck is driven in deep water (as high as the transmission casing) it is a good idea to replace the fluid. Little harm can come from a fluid change when you have just purchased a used vehicle, especially since the condition of the transmission fluid is usually not known.

If the fluid is to be drained, it is a good idea to warm the fluid first so it will flow better. This can be accomplished by 15-20 miles (24-32 km) of highway driving. Fluid which is warmed to normal operating temperature will flow faster, drain more completely and remove more contaminants from the housing.

Raise and support the vehicle safely using jackstands.

Place a fluid catch pan under the transmission.

Use a rag to clean any dirt from around the fill plug and the drain plug.

Remove the filler plug (usually with a 17mm Allen wrench) .

Remove the drain plug (usually with a 17mm Allen wrench) from the bottom of the transmission housing and allow the fluid to drain.

After all the fluid has drained, install the drain plug. Before installing the drain plug on 1997-99 models, apply TeflonŽ sealer GM part number 1052080 or its equivalent to the plug threads.

Refill the transmission with the specified type of fluid until the fluid is level with the filler hole. Most parts stores will carry a small, hand operated pump which will greatly ease the task of adding fluid to the transmission.

Install the filler plug and lower the vehicle.
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Called a dealership and they looked it up...... Dexron 3 is called for

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Dexron 3 is called for..... And the truch has gear oil in it?

Some of the GM standard transmissions do use Dexron III, and having gear oil in there can make it hard to shift as the gear oil is too thick...

Let us know if it gets any better

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DO NOT PUT DEXRON IN A MANUAL TRANSMISSION!! It'* nowhere near thick enough!!

Unless I'm really misunderstanding something here....
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DO NOT PUT DEXRON IN A MANUAL TRANSMISSION!! It'* nowhere near thick enough!!

Unless I'm really misunderstanding something here....
It says it'* reccommended....
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They use Synchomesh which is straight 75 weight gear oil. You can't use anything else in those, such as 80-90 or 75-90.

Document ID# 391331
1998 Chevrolet/Geo S10 Pickup - 2WD


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Lubrication Specifications
Lubrication Specifications Application
Specification

Metric
English

NV1500

Synchro-Mesh Transmission Fluid With Friction Modifier GM P/N 12377916
2.7l
2.9qt

NV3500

(RWD) Synchro-Mesh GM P/N 12345349
2.3l
2.5qt

(S4WD) Synchro-Mesh GM P/N 12345349
2.0l
2.2qt
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There is you answer...

Is that what this is?
SPECIAL LUBRICANT REQUIRED - USE GM OEM #12345349 OR EQUIVALENT

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