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Old 04-24-2007, 12:26 PM   #11
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Funny....I've seen 3 newer Toyotas on the side of the road with the hood open within the past 10 days.

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Funny....I've seen 3 newer Toyotas on the side of the road with the hood open within the past 10 days.
I've seen two toyotas broke down on the side of road too this week :P Also, it has been reported that Toyota'* recall rate has doubled
I am trying to remember where I read this (NY Times, Wall Street Journal....somewhere), but I read that they were having problems with clogged oil ports in the engine. At that time (3 months ago?) they were pretty much denying the problem was their fault. The article basically said it could make or break the company depending on how they handled it....
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I too am pretty sure I read somewhere some Toyota motors are sludge-prone no matter how often you change the oil.
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My mom just got a new camry. Lowest model possible but with the V6. You tell me how many other american cars come with a V6, auto speed (with sequential shift), and other stuff for 20g? Pretty much none of them.

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My mom just got a new camry. Lowest model possible but with the V6. You tell me how many other american cars come with a V6, auto speed (with sequential shift), and other stuff for 20g? Pretty much none of them.

Ford Fusion
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I missed a number in there It should say auto 6 speed
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My mom just got a new camry. Lowest model possible but with the V6. You tell me how many other american cars come with a V6, auto speed (with sequential shift), and other stuff for 20g? Pretty much none of them.

Ford Fusion
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i think most of those do not come with the Auto Stick type thing Corvette is talking about.

For the most part. Over seas cars come with more options and higher end stuff stock them American cars do.

I hate to say it.. if i cant find a SSEi i like. i might get a 07 GTi
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I'm about to buy my first non-GM vehicle...

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We bought our first non-GM vehicle last year. 2004 Honda Civic. The build quality and fit and finish is leaps and bounds better than all the Cavaliers we have owned (3). And, as a matter of fact, when we're done with the Bonneville, we'll likely buy another Honda. Just as CC, the value of an import is more substantial. And, they don't depreciate like a rock.

I'm more loyal to my pocket book than to GM, Ford, and Chrysler.
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I too am pretty sure I read somewhere some Toyota motors are sludge-prone no matter how often you change the oil.
You're thinking about the 3.0L V6 (1MZ-FE) and to an extent the 2.2L I4 (5S-FE) as used in many Camrys and other vehicles; both are no longer used in current models and this problem did not affect all years. They were more prone to sludge buildup if one attempted to prolong their oil change intervals. It'* fully preventable if you maintain your car meticulously and is IMO a drop in the bucket compared to what we see here with the LIM/UIM problems.

When we're complaining on this forum that 2000+ Bonnevilles aren't the most reliable (relatively) and Toyota is now on top, you know they're doing something right... For us to not prefer Toyota is one thing (I find they're boring as heck and wouldn't buy one as a result of that), but to say they're unreliable... c'mon guys, take a look at ourselves.
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I did read that the problem with the sludge has been fixed, and I only expected them to by now. Toyotas are definitely reliable, my point was just that they have problems just as American cars do.
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You will never catch me in an Asian import, and if I was dead while being in one, my corpse will come alive and make a desparate attempt to crawl outta there.
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