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Old 02-20-2005, 08:07 PM   #11
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So this is gonna be something like Pontiac'* Corvette then?
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taken from new car test drive.com

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The Solstice'* wheelbase is 6 inches longer than the Miata'* but its overall length is less than 2 inches greater. Although it'* 5 inches shorter than the S2000, its wheelbase is almost an inch longer. The Solstice is powered by GM'* four-cylinder 2.4-liter Ecotec engine that produces 170 horsepower compared to just 140 in the Miata. However, it is 400 pounds heavier than the Miata, closer in weight to the S2000. Honda'* S2000 is powered by a 240-horsepower engine, but its torque rating is slightly lower: 161 pounds-feet vs. the Pontiac'* 170 pounds-feet. Torque is that force that propels you from intersections and up hills. Consequently, the real-world performance of the Solstice appears to be closer to the S2000'* than to the Miata'*. We shall see.
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I think the GTO is faster than the Corvette
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I think the GTO is faster than the Corvette
That Solstice does look nice. I don't mind it at all.

One Pontiac that was produced that was faster than the 'Vette, was the turboed V6 Fiero. They put an end to it'* production because it was faster than the 'Vette, and GM wasn't interested in outdoing their own high-performance stallion, especially considering that the turboed Fiero was quite a bit less expensive.
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The Solstice'* wheelbase is 6 inches longer than the Miata'* but its overall length is less than 2 inches greater. Although it'* 5 inches shorter than the S2000, its wheelbase is almost an inch longer. The Solstice is powered by GM'* four-cylinder 2.4-liter Ecotec engine that produces 170 horsepower compared to just 140 in the Miata. However, it is 400 pounds heavier than the Miata, closer in weight to the S2000. Honda'* S2000 is powered by a 240-horsepower engine, but its torque rating is slightly lower: 161 pounds-feet vs. the Pontiac'* 170 pounds-feet. Torque is that force that propels you from intersections and up hills. Consequently, the real-world performance of the Solstice appears to be closer to the S2000'* than to the Miata'*. We shall see.

Hmmmmm sounds like it'll quite interesting to drive. I'd much prefer a V-6 with an */C. But can't win'em all........lol
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you could always try for a 3800 swap and turbo it
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The Solstice'* wheelbase is 6 inches longer than the Miata'* but its overall length is less than 2 inches greater. Although it'* 5 inches shorter than the S2000, its wheelbase is almost an inch longer. The Solstice is powered by GM'* four-cylinder 2.4-liter Ecotec engine that produces 170 horsepower compared to just 140 in the Miata. However, it is 400 pounds heavier than the Miata, closer in weight to the S2000. Honda'* S2000 is powered by a 240-horsepower engine, but its torque rating is slightly lower: 161 pounds-feet vs. the Pontiac'* 170 pounds-feet. Torque is that force that propels you from intersections and up hills. Consequently, the real-world performance of the Solstice appears to be closer to the S2000'* than to the Miata'*. We shall see.

Hmmmmm sounds like it'll quite interesting to drive. I'd much prefer a V-6 with an */C. But can't win'em all........lol
or at least the */C ecotec
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One Pontiac that was produced that was faster than the 'Vette, was the turboed V6 Fiero. They put an end to it'* production because it was faster than the 'Vette, and GM wasn't interested in outdoing their own high-performance stallion, especially considering that the turboed Fiero was quite a bit less expensive.
WHAT!!! I've never heard of those. I am now officially searching for one. I know the Fiero GT and Formula in 1988 with the 2.8 V6 and 5-spd were a force to be reckoned with back then, and even still, but with a turbo!!! That thing has gotta be silly fast, but maybe not quite as fast as a stock L67 in one of those Fiero'*.
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One Pontiac that was produced that was faster than the 'Vette, was the turboed V6 Fiero. They put an end to it'* production because it was faster than the 'Vette, and GM wasn't interested in outdoing their own high-performance stallion, especially considering that the turboed Fiero was quite a bit less expensive.
WHAT!!! I've never heard of those. I am now officially searching for one. I know the Fiero GT and Formula in 1988 with the 2.8 V6 and 5-spd were a force to be reckoned with back then, and even still, but with a turbo!!! That thing has gotta be silly fast, but maybe not quite as fast as a stock L67 in one of those Fiero'*.
It was a very limited production. Here'* a site that mentions some being produced:

http://www.calgaryfieros.com/FIEROintro.htm

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GTs with prototype 2.9L V6 turbo'd aluminium engines were built and tested. The turbo'd engines put the FIERO'* performance up there with that of the Corvette - but at HALF the price!!
Perhaps I should start another thread...
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Here'* a good quote, though:

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"The Fiero, rest in peice, was rough as its budget was limited. Typical GM they got it right just as they killed it. Too bad they did product testing and design as they were selling them."

The Sosltice is not going down the same road as the Fiero, to illustrate a quick history... (PS, I love my Fiero, I have an 88 Formula, the year they got it "right" and the year they killed it)

The Fiero was a Pontiac concept that grew out of the gas crisis of the late 70'*. GM ordered each division to come up with a high mileage car to offer the public. POntiac penned a lightweight mid engine two seater "commuter" car. They really wanted a two seat sports car, and had wanted one for a long time (since the 60'*) but could not get it approved. So they went the commuter car route.

GM was skeptical, but did give them a shoestring budget to pursue the project. Due to lack of corporate support, and numerous attempts by bean counters to kill it, they managed to get it into production by doing much of the design and engineering out of house.

What emerged from this low budget out of house project was a major compromise of a car. They had the knockout styling, the innovative plastic body which was put on the car in a way that eliminated fit and finish discrepencies between panels, and a very sturdy spaceframe that could easily handle the stresses of being a sports car. Unfortunately, that left little money for anything else, so they attached an X-car suspension to it, and dropped in the low revving 2.5L Iron Duke motor which maxed out at less than 100 HP. Also, no power steering was offered.

The engine and suspension just were not sporty in nature... by a long shot. The car was a knockout to look at, and left people wanting after they drove it.

Then some of the 84'* received bad engine rods which were breaking, shooting through the engine blocks, and starting engine fires. Thats where the fire reputation came from.

In 85, they added a V6 engine which gave the car acceptable performance (8 sec to 60, 16 quarter with a couple in the high 15'* if they didn't have many options, all decent times in 1985). Unfortunately, that engine was mated to a 4 speed manual which I have had the displeasure to drive myself. It was not a sporty transmission to use, and a gear short of what was accepted as necessary. So again it left everyone wanting.

Mid year 86 saw the addition of a better 5 speed getrag transmission and a fastback body style. Still, that X-car derrived suspension was hurting handling.

88 they gave the car a completely redesigned suspension which finally made the car drive fairly comfortably, handle as well as its looks promised, and it had better brakes. By this time, the engine fire problem had created a black cloud over the car, and too many people thought it was a poor handling and too slow car. Plus prices crept up due to lower and lower output. They needed to average 75K units a year, and over the lifespan came very close to that. But 88 saw only 26K units moved, even with the better suspension. So they killed it (with the much needed power steering ready to be offered too).

The Solstice on the other hand, is getting the budget money, testing time, and engineering talent it needs to make sure it doesn't need any of the compromises the Fiero got stuck with. The cars suspension is being purpose built and highly tuned and developed. Its going to have acceptable power in base form, and likely a lot more not far after introduciton. They are putting all the money it needs into it from day one. Its certainly not going to be another compromised parts bin car like the Fiero was. In respect to being a 2 seater sports car, it is similar. I think that is where the similarities end. GM is going to have a terrific car when they get this thing to market next year! I cannot wait!

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http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/dir...w/.ef08081/128 by fformula88.
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