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Old 08-24-2007, 02:20 AM   #1
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I'm really upset. It was the below YouTube video that did it in for me, but only because of the hydrogen-powered BMW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCTsc-j1F5w&feature=dir
Here'* some more info:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117647

So the thing that bothers me about this is that the process of "burning hydrogen" is explained here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...39837181538044
Stan Meyer in 1995 filmed this documentary in which he showed how to use a little machine with 20KHz electric current to separate hydrogen from tap water. Instead of using BMW'* -253C container of pure hydrogen, he'* just using tap water in a little container.

Besides, the article in the second link said that the car'* horsepower drops drastically when it switches from gas to hydrogen. That'* ridiculous. The sparks provided by combining oxygen & hydrogen should be far greater than racing fuel in a well-tuned engine. The power loss is somewhere, and it'* probably in keeping the pure hydrogen so cold.

Imagine if you really could use Stan Meyer'* invention. You could get rid of the gas tank, the pump, and all the gas lines. Since this is on a molecular level, there'* no need for the astounding fuel pressure we have in our engines. You could probably just take a gallon of water, flip it upside down, and let it drip. Think of the weight reduction! The problem is that Stan Meyer is now dead.

Since I had seen this video several months ago, I have been scheming to convert my Bonneville to water. It would be really cool. I saw a 90'* Ford Escort running a half-gas, half-water engine on the news, and that was in Florida, I believe.

I don't think BMW is a bad company, and there'* no linked involvement between any car company & Stan Meyer'* passing. Anyway, let me know what you think. I think it'* unfair that Meyer'* invention is overlooked and that no one knows where the buggy he had built is found.
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Further stuff:
http://www.waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html
Let me know if the video links are broken because I have the videos saved.
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haven't those Germans learned from history not to play with hydrogen
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Yeah, and with the hydrogen in Stan Meyer'* invention, it'* not such a big deal. I think it'* now the patents that are holding back manufacturers.
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None of his claims have been proven, and he would not let them be proven. He was also sued by some of his investors for fraud. Also, the water fuel cell itself WAS studied and was found to be nothing special, and that it was simply electrolysis. I applaud companies researching Hydrogen, since it'* a renewable resource (it'* all around us), there'* no pollution and it'll be cheaper once it'* readily available.
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Speaking of hydrogen, I'll be doing a 4 month engineering internship at Hy-Drive starting next week.

Apparently small amounts of hydrogen (obtained through electrolysis) injected into diesel engines = improved efficiency and emissions.
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I just can't see a 12 volt system running through a gallon of water producing enough hydrogen to run a lawn mower let alone a car engine at highway speed.
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The tank'* thermal insulation is so astoundingly good that BMW calculates a block of ice inside it would take 13 years to melt.
That'* just awesome.
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Here'* a much better idea;

http://www.ballard.com/be_informed/f...chnology_works

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I just can't see a 12 volt system running through a gallon of water producing enough hydrogen to run a lawn mower let alone a car engine at highway speed.
It'* easy enough to use an oscillator and a transformer to get whatever voltage you want.
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