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Old 05-16-2007, 02:23 AM   #1
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'...Hundreds of animal studies and human clinical trials leave no doubt about how [Ritalin] works.
First, the drugs suppress all spontaneous behavior. In healthy chimpanzees and other animals, this can be measured with precision as a reduction in all spontaneous or self-generated activities. In animals and in humans, this is manifested in a reduction in the following behaviors: (1) exploration and curiosity; (2) socializing, and (3) playing.

Second, the drugs increase obsessive-compulsive behaviors, including very limited, overly focused activities.
Table II provides a list of adverse stimulant effects which are commonly mistaken as improvement by clinicians, teachers, and parents.


...Since the early 1990s, North America has turned to psychoactive drugs in unprecedented numbers for the control of children. In November 1999, the U.*. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) warned about a record six-fold increase in Ritalin production between 1990 and 1995. In 1995, the International Narcotics Control Board (INCB), a agency of the World Health Organization, deplored that “10 to 12 percent of all boys between the ages 6 and 14 in the United States have been diagnosed as having ADD and are being treated with methylphenidate [Ritalin].” In March 1997, the board declared, "The therapeutic use of methylphenidate is now under scrutiny by the American medical community; the INCB welcomes this." The United States uses approximately 90% of the world'* Ritalin.



...Table I summarizes many of the most salient adverse effects of all the commonly used stimulant drugs. It is important to note that the Drug Enforcement Administration, and all other drug enforcement agencies worldwide, classify methylphenidate (Ritalin) and amphetamine (Dexedrine and Adderall) in the same Schedule II category as methamphetamine, cocaine, and the most potent opiates and barbiturates. Schedule II includes only those drugs with the very highest potential for addiction and abuse.

Animals and humans cross-addict to methylphenidate, amphetamine and cocaine. These drugs affect the same three neurotransmitter systems and the same parts of the brain. It should have been no surprise when Nadine Lambert presented data at the Consensus Development Conference (attached) indicating that prescribed stimulant use in childhood predisposes the individual to cocaine abuse in young adulthood.

Furthermore, their addiction and abuse potential is based on the capacity of these drugs to drastically and permanently change brain chemistry. Studies of amphetamine show that short-term clinical doses produce brain cell death. Similar studies of methylphenidate show long-lasting and sometimes permanent changes in the biochemistry of the brain.


...Children become diagnosed with ADHD when they are in conflict with the expectations or demands of parents and/or teachers. The ADHD diagnosis is simply a list of the behaviors that most commonly cause conflict or disturbance in classrooms, especially those that require a high degree of conformity.

By diagnosing the child with ADHD, blame for the conflict is placed on the child. Instead of examining the context of the child'* life—why the child is restless or disobedient in the classroom or home—the problem is attributed to the child'* faulty brain. Both the classroom and the family are exempt from criticism or from the need to improve, and instead the child is made the source of the problem.

The medicating of the child then becomes a coercive response to conflict in which the weakest member of the conflict, the child, is drugged into a more compliant or submissive state. The production of drug-induced obsessive-compulsive disorder in the child especially fits the needs for compliance in regard to otherwise boring or distressing schoolwork.


...It is important for the Education Committee to understand that the ADD/ADHD diagnosis was developed specifically for the purpose of justifying the use of drugs to subdue the behaviors of children in the classroom. The content of the diagnosis in the 1994 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV) of the American Psychiatric Association shows that it is specifically aimed at suppressing unwanted behaviors in the classroom.
The diagnosis is divided into three types: hyperactivity, impulsivity, and inattention.

Under hyperactivity, the first two (and most powerful) criteria are "often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat" and "often leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected." Clearly, these two "symptoms" are nothing more nor less than the behaviors most likely to cause disruptions in a large, structured classroom.

Under impulsivity, the first criteria is "often blurts out answers before questions have been completed" and under inattention, the first criteria is "often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities." Once again, the diagnosis itself, formulated over several decades, leaves no question concerning its purpose: to redefine disruptive classroom behavior into a disease. The ultimate aim is to justify the use of medication to suppress or control the behaviors.

Advocates of ADHD and stimulant drugs have claimed that ADHD is associated with changes in the brain. In fact, both the NIH Consensus Development Conference (199 and the American Academy of Pediatrics (2000) report on ADHD have confirmed that there is no known biological basis for ADHD. Any brain abnormalities in these children are almost certainly caused by prior exposure to psychiatric medication.'

Peter R. Breggin M.D. Testimony September 29, 2000
Before the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
Committee on Education and the Workforce
U.*. House of Representatives
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Old 05-16-2007, 02:25 AM   #2
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Just to let you all know, the above information is hotly disputed. However, I will say the following: The cause of ADD and ADHD is not currently known or understood. How Ritalin treats ADHD is also not understood. ADD and ADHD are overdiagnosed, and there are hundreds of children on Ritalin that shouldn't be.
I have heard off-hand comments like "have you ever thought about Ritalin for your children?" from people that clearly should be shot in the face. Finally, a lot of children with "Hyperactivity Disorder" get drugged with Ritalin because their parents don't want to deal with them.

Remember, I'm just some guy. I'm not a doctor. But why would you want to drug your children into complacence when the causes of their "disease" are not clearly understood and not clearly different from normal behavior? These kids are in a part of their life when they WILL be rambunctious.

I'm talking about borderline cases. and, on top of that, there'* no need to go 1984 and Brave New World on every child that doesn't conform.
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Interesting. Did you read also the one concerning excessive sugar and ADD/ADHD symptoms?
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Hahaha, you know what'* funny... I have the so-called ADHD bug, and I think it'* a load of crap. Most people would enjoy my sunny disposition. On top of that, I was under the impression that stimulation was supposed to cause changes in the brain. I could be wrong, I'm no doctor...

However, I can tell you that I have been on ritalin, methylphenidate, zoloft, clonodine, and dexadrine at all different points in my life, and all I know is this... after years of struggling with my behavior in school and always being threatened with expulsion due to my inability to 'conform' to the social normalities, right before my 8th grade year began I told my mother point-blank that I was sick and tired of taking the stuff and that I wasn't going to do it. She told me she'd allow it for the first 6 weeks, but if anything reverted to inappropriate behavior, I was taking it again.

Well, wouldn't you know that my 8th grade year was the very best year in my grade school career. Played every sport, made straight As, and was actually popular for a change. Even the years following that showed marked improvement.

Doctors... Just guesswork in a white coat anyways...
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The doctors in WI tried to diagnose me ADHD, Luckily my parents have a brain and consulted other methods first. So after some preliminary testing I finished high school in AP classes and I am a MENSA member. Gee, that'* odd. ADHD and Ritalin are for lazy parents.
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Because of my ADD, I didn't finish reading the post
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Most kids do act like monsters in some setting. The problem is, most adults will not admit that their child is normal or that we all did the same types of things when we were kids.
These are children, not soldiers! They will act up and not want to do what they are told.
Some folks say - "Oh when we were growing up we got beat with a switch that we had to hand pick from a tree ourselves... we never misbehaved!" What a crock of ****.

The schools nowadays are pushing very hard for kids to be diagnosed with ADD or whatever the latest fad in mental disorders is. The schools get a kickback for that. Of course they say they don't...

We went thru this with our kid. We go thru this. LAst year after they managed to get this diagnosis, the school was trying to get rid of him anyway they could. Crap like 3 day suspentions for silly crap. This year at school they tried to play the same games until my wife tore them a new one.

With the drugs - that is not the answer. It may work now but how will it effect the child when he/she is grown? I hate psychiatrists. They seem to have this idea that families should function like on "Leave it to Beaver" or "full house". No miracle drug is going to accomplish that. Parents are not perfect, neither are kids.
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i grew up completely drug free. my brother which grew up 2 years behind me, in the exact same environment, is a problem child to say the least. i have seen what he is like if he does not take his meds, its like a completely different person. he has ADHD. he has gone through severe depression and thoughts of suicide, while I am completely normal and loving life. basically what i am trying to say is that ADHD is not always misdiagnosed, and its not always the parents problem.
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The schools nowadays are pushing very hard for kids to be diagnosed with ADD or whatever the latest fad in mental disorders is. The schools get a kickback for that. Of course they say they don't...
and it was a government conspiracy to kill kennedy. and flourescent light bulbs interfere with brain waves.

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he has gone through severe depression and thoughts of suicide
as have i. and attempted to act on it (obviously i wasnt serious about it -- im still here). but i didnt have ADHD. i was just someone who had a bit of trouble adjusting and if someone would have medicated me, i never would have become "normal". i would have relied on the meds for some degree of normalcy.

i see drugs when used in this manner as being akin to alcohol. it helps to begin with, but then you need it to function. when a better alternative is to deal with it. thats part of growing up. renewing your prescription is not.
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Doctors... Just guesswork in a white coat anyways


That pretty much sums it up...



The last 2 doctors I have had were "palm pilot" doctors and had to reply on their software program and was absiclly a waste of time and money for me.


I have been laneled with the A.D.D. and my kid actually was also "diagnosed" and has been on at least 3 different drugs in a year and it is insane..
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