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EagleKammback 11-23-2007 08:37 PM

I didn't think it was possible
 
but ford has a concept truck that looks good!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...leId=117090#18
I hope they make this, I like it

harofreak00 11-23-2007 08:52 PM

wow thats ugly.

JMH1950 11-23-2007 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by harofreak00
wow thats ugly.


X2

EagleKammback 11-23-2007 09:17 PM

If you were truck guys then you might like it

roadtech195 11-23-2007 10:01 PM

I'm a truck guy, its fugly!

Bonneville92V688 11-23-2007 10:04 PM

Uhhh.......that is ASS ugly. Sorry, I just don't like Fords in general, and that thing put me over the top. :puke:

EagleKammback 11-23-2007 10:10 PM

OK, well, I like it.

samueljackson 11-23-2007 10:25 PM

sorry eagle, that is ugly.

but is that an eaton on there?

ten_gigahertz 11-23-2007 10:31 PM

Yeah, I agree, not pretty. I am a truck guy too! But, I prefer trucks being old beaters that you don't care if you scratch, dent, etc... That one would be too expensive and nice to beat up on a trail or see how deep of snow you can go through, etc...

tallbump 11-24-2007 07:38 AM

Not really liking it myself either.

redwingsfan34 11-24-2007 09:59 AM

yea that thing is butt fugly.
even the interior is ugly.
Bad idea ford.

But hey to each is own

singscountry1967 11-24-2007 10:10 AM

It certainly is unique! Sort of reminds me of what dodge did with the charger a couple of years ago with the squarish style and smaller windows - makes it look like a mobster car. The backseats certainly look more comfortable than any others. I don't know if I'd like a tailgate that swings to the side though. Seems like if you were to do any enginework - the hood would be in the way.

Score one for uniqueness though ;) Of course, that's what concept vehicles are all about.

ChilinMichael 11-24-2007 10:52 AM

Hopefully Ford won't switch all their nice-looking current trucks over to that style, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot just like they did with the new Navigator :puke:

willwren 11-24-2007 11:06 AM

That thing is HIDEOUS! :lol: (this post is non-ford biased, it's simply that I've never seen an uglier concept truck ever)

Stitch 11-24-2007 11:23 AM

gees why don't they just slap a sheet of ply wood on to the front end already so it's completely square. I thought new vehicles were supposed to be aerodynamic to cut down on fuel costs?

EagleKammback 11-24-2007 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Stitch
gees why don't they just slap a sheet of ply wood on to the front end already so it's completely square. I thought new vehicles were supposed to be aerodynamic to cut down on fuel costs?

You just made me realize why I like this, theyy styled the front end after the early 70s Matador sedans :lol:

Lowrider0308 11-24-2007 03:07 PM

i'm a truck guy...thats what i want instead of the bonneville....and that is UGLY.

MOS95B 11-24-2007 03:11 PM

It doesn't even look like a truck. They'll never sell it to real truck users. Just the people that drive trucks to be stylish...

banned3800 11-24-2007 03:12 PM

* Has a pukefest on the ford lot..... Walks to the chevy lot where the trucks don't make the tummy squirm *..... That thing is Ugly

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GoldenBullet 11-24-2007 03:35 PM

wow that thing is nasty :lol:

im a truck guy too, and if i could afford gas i would probably be driving a Z71 right now. but that thing is just for guys who want to drive a truck because they think its cool

Allmachtige 11-24-2007 03:37 PM

LOL!!! I think I left that in the toilet once. :lol:

jwakamud 11-24-2007 03:41 PM

hm. it reminds me of a cross between a Nissan Titan and the bad guy from Resident Evil 2.

im torn on the interior. on the one side its disgusting with all the wood crap. but i like the styling.

JMH1950 11-24-2007 05:06 PM

Let's get one thing straight, that is not a truck.

A real truck has either a bench seat or split seats, there is NO back seat in a truck.
A real truck has a box 8 ft long and 5 ft wide. It will carry a sheet of plywood between the wheel wells with the tail gate closed.
A real truck will carry whatever you decide to put in the box.
The only time you can't see the top of the wheels in a real truck is when the truck is fully loaded. (a low rider is not a truck).
A real truck has 8 cylinders, with a manual transmission. Sissy trucks have automatics.
If you have a real truck, a few scratches and dents add character and show that you are not afraid to use the truck as intendend.


Just my humble opinon as a truck driver/owner :lol:

radomirthegreat 11-24-2007 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by JMH1950
Let's get one thing straight, that is not a truck.

A real truck has either a bench seat or split seats, there is NO back seat in a truck.
A real truck has a box 8 ft long and 5 ft wide. It will carry a sheet of plywood between the wheel wells with the tail gate closed.
A real truck will carry whatever you decide to put in the box.
The only time you can't see the top of the wheels in a real truck is when the truck is fully loaded. (a low rider is not a truck).
A real truck has 8 cylinders, with a manual transmission. Sissy trucks have automatics.
If you have a real truck, a few scratches and dents add character and show that you are not afraid to use the truck as intendend.


Just my humble opinon as a truck driver/owner :lol:

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sandrock 11-24-2007 05:40 PM

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Guages look very Econoline blended with 1980-1987 F-series info centers.

radomirthegreat 11-24-2007 06:19 PM

This is really ugly. I know I'm posting again, but I just really have to write this. It reminds me of few things I've seen before, and yet it's so uniquely ugly. This in no way looks like a locomotive - more like a train wreck. Whatt has Ford styling done to help progress? Nothing! If I had the money, I'd buy out Ford just to shut it down purely because it's gotten this bad. I so dearly hope this does not hit the market. There's nothing like such horrible styling to ruin a perfectly good headlight/tail light design series. What's wrong with the styles we've had so far?

DrCheeto 11-26-2007 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by radomirthegreat
This is really ugly. I know I'm posting again, but I just really have to write this. It reminds me of few things I've seen before, and yet it's so uniquely ugly. This in no way looks like a locomotive - more like a train wreck. Whatt has Ford styling done to help progress? Nothing! If I had the money, I'd buy out Ford just to shut it down purely because it's gotten this bad. I so dearly hope this does not hit the market. There's nothing like such horrible styling to ruin a perfectly good headlight/tail light design series. What's wrong with the styles we've had so far?


Ignorance is bliss...?....!


It's a CONCEPT. Concepts NEVER hit the market looking the way they originally did. I, being a die hard Ford guy, will say that thing makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a spork, but you can bet your bottom dollar that will never see the light of day.


Originally Posted by radomirthegreat
Whatt has Ford styling done to help progress? Nothing!

Oh Really? Nothing? Let's take a look back at a certain car, which was revealed to the public in 1985.... It was unlike ANYTHING on the market, and critics scoffed at it, and yet it became a common household name and went on to reign the sales charts for more than
20 years....

http://blog.vehiclevoice.com/Taurus%...20SV-thumb.jpg

You may think the Taurus is junk, or you may like it, but many people laughed at it and said nobody would buy it, yet there hasn't been an American designed family sedan yet that can even come CLOSE to it's sales numbers.....



Originally Posted by radomirthegreat
If I had the money, I'd buy out Ford just to shut it down purely because it's gotten this bad.

What's gotten this bad? I used to be ignorant just like you. You don't like Ford. We get it. I don't particularly care for GM, but I've owned plenty, (including 3 Bonnevilles which I loved) and I'm not here to bash any particular car manufacturer.

Bottom line. That truck is about innovation. Innovation as in people dreaming of what the future might be like. You may think its ugly, and hell, I do too, but making stupid comments like "I would buy Ford out to stop things like this" is just ignorant. You can't judge a concept, because thats exactly what it is. a CONCEPT.

Ok. I'm going to stop ranting now, I just hate ignorance when It comes to cars. Everybody is supposed to have an opinion, but stupid comments just turn my rant switch on. 8)

radomirthegreat 11-26-2007 07:05 AM

I've actually never turned on any rant switches before, so I'm almost honored right now. Thanks, I think. Also, the Taurus probably didn't sell because of looks. Perhaps Ford designs cars as it does to be cost effective first and stylish second, but neither helps sell Tauruses and Sables. Actually, my mom used to drive a Sable almost daily for about 4 years with regular all-fluid changing, but one day it decided to screw up its circuitry for the oxygen sensors so that no O2 sensor worked at all, and then the IAC and MAF sensors stopped functioning. Most emissions-oriented electronics stopped functioning, and a cable that opens & closes valves broke. The car ran rich, and both catalytic converters got thrashed.

Ford conveniently made the exhaust manifold 2.5" to the catalytic converters and then went down to 2.25" for the flex pipe. The resonator has 2.25" in and 2" out, then it splits with a 2.25" pipe to dual mufflers with 2.25" in and 2.5" out. The catalytic converters are arranged so that only the dealership, as far as I know, can custom-make new ones. These days, it's about $500 for the converters, and no exhaust shop sells such insanely angled piping that goes to such tiny converters as this. What a terrible shame. Otherwise, the car seems to be doing all right in between repairs.

I'm not going to go into the hassle-free 1976 Olds 98 2-door coupe (455 ci V8), white with a white soft top and white leather interior with dark wood trim that my dad owned from ~92-98, the fairly easygoing Buick Century, Oldsmobile Alero, and so on that worked just fine. We bought a brand new Hyundai Elantra wagon sedan in 99, and the first month we had it, the transmission went out. There are pictures here of me working on my 84 Bonneville to replace the fender, paint engine parts, replace some aluminum bracket, and so on. In the background for some of them is either the Sable with its intake manifold removed so that we can reach the spark plugs or the Ford Aerostar up on jack stands to have various repairs done to it. We're currently working to replace the rear end again because 30K miles of a 140hp Ford V6 is too much for those gears.

Just because the Taurus (and probably Sable) sold so well does not mean that Ford should get special recognition as a styling master (or entrepreneur). Plenty of bad products sell well for one or some of many reasons vaguely explained in most entry-level business or economics books, classes, and broadcasts of professionals speaking to college crowds. I've most likely typed to much, but one more thing:

You asked "What's gotten this bad?" I meant to say that Ford's styling has gotten this bad because it's straying from the norm in quite a lot of things in that concept. Car ideas go through seemingly too many drawing phases, clay model phases, and things of that nature before they're taken to the concept vehicle level, and so few make it. I assumed that the avoidance of tail lights to go to stripes across the tail gate in that particular model probably wasn't unique to that model in the stylists' minds. Considering this, I was afraid that idea, among some more shown in that concept and some others, might actually come to fruition. That's what I believe is the styling getting to be so bad.

:feedback:

vital49 11-26-2007 08:20 AM

Let's cool it down in here. There's no need to bash another member's opinions.

DrCheeto 11-26-2007 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by radomirthegreat
I've actually never turned on any rant switches before, so I'm almost honored right now. Thanks, I think. Also, the Taurus probably didn't sell because of looks. Perhaps Ford designs cars as it does to be cost effective first and stylish second, but neither helps sell Tauruses and Sables. Actually, my mom used to drive a Sable almost daily for about 4 years with regular all-fluid changing, but one day it decided to screw up its circuitry for the oxygen sensors so that no O2 sensor worked at all, and then the IAC and MAF sensors stopped functioning. Most emissions-oriented electronics stopped functioning, and a cable that opens & closes valves broke. The car ran rich, and both catalytic converters got thrashed.

Ford conveniently made the exhaust manifold 2.5" to the catalytic converters and then went down to 2.25" for the flex pipe. The resonator has 2.25" in and 2" out, then it splits with a 2.25" pipe to dual mufflers with 2.25" in and 2.5" out. The catalytic converters are arranged so that only the dealership, as far as I know, can custom-make new ones. These days, it's about $500 for the converters, and no exhaust shop sells such insanely angled piping that goes to such tiny converters as this. What a terrible shame. Otherwise, the car seems to be doing all right in between repairs.

I'm not going to go into the hassle-free 1976 Olds 98 2-door coupe (455 ci V8), white with a white soft top and white leather interior with dark wood trim that my dad owned from ~92-98, the fairly easygoing Buick Century, Oldsmobile Alero, and so on that worked just fine. We bought a brand new Hyundai Elantra wagon sedan in 99, and the first month we had it, the transmission went out. There are pictures here of me working on my 84 Bonneville to replace the fender, paint engine parts, replace some aluminum bracket, and so on. In the background for some of them is either the Sable with its intake manifold removed so that we can reach the spark plugs or the Ford Aerostar up on jack stands to have various repairs done to it. We're currently working to replace the rear end again because 30K miles of a 140hp Ford V6 is too much for those gears.

Just because the Taurus (and probably Sable) sold so well does not mean that Ford should get special recognition as a styling master (or entrepreneur). Plenty of bad products sell well for one or some of many reasons vaguely explained in most entry-level business or economics books, classes, and broadcasts of professionals speaking to college crowds. I've most likely typed to much, but one more thing:

You asked "What's gotten this bad?" I meant to say that Ford's styling has gotten this bad because it's straying from the norm in quite a lot of things in that concept. Car ideas go through seemingly too many drawing phases, clay model phases, and things of that nature before they're taken to the concept vehicle level, and so few make it. I assumed that the avoidance of tail lights to go to stripes across the tail gate in that particular model probably wasn't unique to that model in the stylists' minds. Considering this, I was afraid that idea, among some more shown in that concept and some others, might actually come to fruition. That's what I believe is the styling getting to be so bad.

:feedback:


Actually, you say the Taurus didn't sell because of looks, yet that's entirely wrong. People bought it because it was styled radically, It had a quality build (for the time, the 80's we're bad for everyone),and it was modestly priced.

It was completely radical, and pretty much shaped the market for the next ten years. Everyone tried to copy it, if you read about the Accord, Honda designers used styling cues on the 90 Accord from the Taurus, there are a few other manufacturers who blatantly admitted using the taurus as a styling cue, but I can't find the articles right now.

And ok, now you made your post a little more clear, I wasn't per se mad at you, I just get mad when I hear people judge companies with little or no fact. (not just Ford, they just happened to be the one who came up this time).

It's no big deal, I was just trying to say sometimes something INCREDIBLY radical is just what the market is looking for.


Also, I assume the Sable you are talking about is a 96-99 and has a Duratec? If the IRMC cable breaks, it's going to take the cats with it... The cable usually only breaks on poorly maintained motors when the butterflies gum up...

banned3800 11-26-2007 12:52 PM

I Liked the 92-96 Sable/ Taurus...

I would have taken a 94-95 Taurus ;)

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Grimm 11-26-2007 01:05 PM

Funny, I liked the Taurus because it wasn't like all the other boxes on wheels back in the late 80's to early 90's. Now it seems like we are going back that direction. I think that truck is ugly, not because it's boxy, but because it has such a tall look. I don't like the tall sides/short windows look, it's just not right for me. It works on some cars, but not on a truck. Oh, and I like woodgrain, but that is over the top.

Sorry, but I don't see any resemblence to any Matador. :?

vital49 11-26-2007 01:07 PM

That truck looks even worse in person. I saw it at the NAIAS in 2006 and it was just hideous. The only ones that actually stopped to look at the exhibit were those who were calling it ugly, piece by piece.

banned3800 11-26-2007 01:14 PM

I wonder what people thought when they saw the first 87 Bonneville, and the first 88 SSE

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J Wikoff 11-26-2007 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by jr's3800
I wonder what people thought when they saw the first 87 Bonneville, and the first 88 SSE

Hey, that kinda looks like my Taurus....?

DrCheeto 11-26-2007 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by J Wikoff

Originally Posted by jr's3800
I wonder what people thought when they saw the first 87 Bonneville, and the first 88 SSE

Hey, that kinda looks like my Taurus....?


See... Like it or not, that was pretty much the consensus in the 80's...


Now. As long as 5 years from now we don't hear "Hey, that looks kind of like my Super Chief".... :puke:

banned3800 11-26-2007 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by J Wikoff

Originally Posted by jr's3800
I wonder what people thought when they saw the first 87 Bonneville, and the first 88 SSE

Hey, that kinda looks like my Taurus....?

LMAO...

With the F79 Gear ratio, Performance Sound, F41 Firm Ride suspension.... 3.8L HO :lol:

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radomirthegreat 11-26-2007 02:57 PM

One more thread hijacking post, as far as I'm aware. Here's the link so that we don't continue hijacking this.
http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/...c.php?p=994342
And thanks for leveling this out. Flame wars are only fun if stupid people are having them and we get to read their logical fallacies.

93Bonne 11-26-2007 03:42 PM

Yea, that is one ugly truck. It will never make production.

DrCheeto 11-26-2007 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by 93Bonne
Yea, that is one ugly truck. It will never make production.

It kind of looks like a Super Duty Enema.


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