Having some control over gas prices... - Page 2 - GM Forum - Buick, Cadillac, Chev, Olds, GMC & Pontiac chat


Lounge For casual talk about things unrelated to General Motors. In other words, off-topic stuff. And anything else that does not fit Section Description.

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-22-2004, 02:26 PM   #11
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sycamore, IL
Posts: 2,361
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BonnieBrougham is on a distinguished road
Default

Nope, just a few dedicated people with a LOT of people on their mailing lists

You'd be surprised how fast stuff like this can spread...people eat stuff like this up, especially with the potential of saving money

--Christine
BonnieBrougham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 02:26 PM   #12
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,978
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Princess Jeanie is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
I'm not arguing on whether the plan would work. It does work. But getting people to do it over a long enough time, and in enough areas is my point.

Economically it'* a very sound plan, but it'd cost a lot just to get everyone going on it
That I'll agree with. In the perfect world where everyone would care, would get the word and would participate, it would work. *But* this isn't a perfect world, so in theory it would work, in practice, probably not.
Princess Jeanie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 02:29 PM   #13
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Saginaw, MI
Posts: 1,632
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
FiReDeViL is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Princess Jeanie
Quote:
Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
I'm not arguing on whether the plan would work. It does work. But getting people to do it over a long enough time, and in enough areas is my point.

Economically it'* a very sound plan, but it'd cost a lot just to get everyone going on it
That I'll agree with. In the perfect world where everyone would care, would get the word and would participate, it would work. *But* this isn't a perfect world, so in theory it would work, in practice, probably not.
it worked here in MI on a state level at one point...actully made the government decide to put in an anti-price gouging law.
FiReDeViL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 02:29 PM   #14
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sycamore, IL
Posts: 2,361
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BonnieBrougham is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Princess Jeanie
Quote:
Originally Posted by BonneMeMN
I'm not arguing on whether the plan would work. It does work. But getting people to do it over a long enough time, and in enough areas is my point.

Economically it'* a very sound plan, but it'd cost a lot just to get everyone going on it
That I'll agree with. In the perfect world where everyone would care, would get the word and would participate, it would work. *But* this isn't a perfect world, so in theory it would work, in practice, probably not.
Worth a shot though, isn't it Even a small few can make a difference sometimes. What've you got to lose?

I personally spend at least $20 in gas a week...get 50 people like me, that'* $1000 a week, and $4000 a MONTH. Stretch that out over a couple of months. They'll start to hurt, even if it'* just a little, they'll notice it.

--Christine :P
BonnieBrougham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 02:42 PM   #15
Junior Member
Posts like a Ricer Type-R
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
willwren is on a distinguished road
Default

The way to get people to do it, is to DO it yourself. I'm on it. Who'* with me? All it takes is a few emails. I'll post my email about the Exxon/mobil attack later today so you can all read it.
willwren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 03:00 PM   #16
Senior Member
Posts like a Corvette
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montréal, QC
Posts: 1,374
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Foghorn is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by willwren
The larger companies have more sway with OPEC. If you don't buy gas from them, they will have to lower their prices. The other companies will have to follow suit to keep competition even.

Many of you don't remember the 'gas crunch' of the 70'*. I do. This is one idea that will work.
A couple more points;

The US imports more petroleum and related products from Canada than from any other supplier - including Saudia Arabia.

I don't believe that any gasoline is purchased from the Middle East. Most is refined in the US with some purchases from Venezuela and Brazil.

The US dollar has declined at least 20% versus other majour currencies. If you look at the price of a barrel of oil in Euros over the past year, the price has changed little.

There has been no new refineries built in the US in the past 20 years.

US demand for gasoline is at record levels.

US refineries recently took downtime to perform regularly scheduled maintanence. Since then, while changing the mix of distilates produced away from heating oil towards building gasoline inventories, production has in fact declined by about 1.5% to about 85% capacity utilisation.

If the plan is to avoid one company in the hopes driving down prices it'* effects will be muted and short lived. Since there is only so much refining capacity available, if you stop buying from X to buy from Y, Y will not have enough capacity to meet demand and will need to purchase wholesale from X.

Refining is a low margin business that has a very hard time earning its cost of capital over the life of the plant. If you look at the financial results of the integrated producers you'll see that their downstream operations ( gasoline distribution and retail ) are their weakest areas. If it weren't that gas stations were selling coffee and donuts and the like there would be far fewer of them around if they lived off the profits of gas.

When you consider the decline of the dollar, record levels of demand, a capacity constrained industry with an ever complex regulatory environment - ultimately you will be paying considerably more for gasoline in the near future unless demand is curtailed meaningfully - not just a matter of playing a shell game.

BTW - last time I was in England (I was born there) 3 years ago, it cost me $67 US to fill a VW Jetta.

Cheers,
Foghorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 03:01 PM   #17
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Right in front of you
Posts: 7,965
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
SSE14U24ME is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by willwren
The larger companies have more sway with OPEC. If you don't buy gas from them, they will have to lower their prices. The other companies will have to follow suit to keep competition even.

Many of you don't remember the 'gas crunch' of the 70'*. I do. This is one idea that will work.
I remember hearing about it with the long lines and coupons, etc. The only gas I put in my cars is Exxon. I don't want to support the small independent foreigners here because I don't trust the quality of their product. My only choices are: Exxon, Shell, BP/Amoco.
SSE14U24ME is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 04:25 PM   #18
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 15,928
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BonneMeMN is on a distinguished road
Default

Everyone needs to run Synthetic oil, this could help Also helps the environment because it'* not Dino Oil.
BonneMeMN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 06:32 PM   #19
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 0
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Custom88 is on a distinguished road
Default

I usually like to get my gas from Sonoco, seems to be some damn good gas!
Custom88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2004, 07:50 PM   #20
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Sycamore, IL
Posts: 2,361
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
BonnieBrougham is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by willwren
The way to get people to do it, is to DO it yourself. I'm on it. Who'* with me? All it takes is a few emails. I'll post my email about the Exxon/mobil attack later today so you can all read it.
I'm with you!!! I'm going to send out a mass email once I get it too.

--Christine
BonnieBrougham is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For those who complain about gas prices... SSsuperchargedEi General GM Chat 60 03-30-2005 04:48 PM
How about those rising gas prices, huh? billha Lounge 23 04-12-2004 12:57 PM
Gas Prices are high, maybe this will help solve prob..... ssesc93 Lounge 5 04-09-2004 05:02 AM
Gas prices in your area? scottydl Lounge 31 04-08-2004 11:47 PM
gas prices GAMEOVER Lounge 22 10-21-2003 06:38 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:36 AM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.