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Old 12-05-2004, 06:58 PM   #31
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We all know that Bonnevilles, particualry SSEi'* are better than a lot of cars on there.
Anything can be better than some of the cars put in GT4...




When you look at it in the big picture, a Bonneville just isn't a car that should be hassled over not being put in a GT game. There'* not an awful lot of demand for it. Other than some select-few people (ie, this forum), who'* going to race a Bonneville for reasons other than nostalgia? I know that in my copy of GT4, any luxo-sedan ownership will be of the RWD kind


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However, the Bonneville is the definition of an American sports sedan.
Well then the American sports sedan has a considerable way to go to catch up to other sports sedans
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Old 12-05-2004, 07:10 PM   #32
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in the spy shots, there is a christmas tree (of the racing type) pictured. this makes me happy
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ya i have seen a picture of a Vibe staged at the tree
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Any game that'* been focused on one Car, or even one Brand has SUCKED...

But I might buy corvette racintg just cause it'* vettes and is $10....

The vibe probably weighs about 1000lbs less then a Bonneville. It'* based off of the Corolla platform, so it'* a MUCH better turning car then any stock bonneville. It also has some decent power from the factory, 180 or 200 HP i believe.
i've read it three times and still don't understand how....Corolla is toyota, right? same platform? what gives?
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The Vibe and the Matrix are based off of the Corolla platform. It'* a joint venture between Pontiac and Toyota.

FWD car IMO isn't a sport sedan platform. Manuals are necessary too IMO.

the CTS-v is the definition of the American Sports Sedan.
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the CTS-v is the definition of the American Sports Sedan.
probably the only one... just makes me cringe even more at how far behind europe and japan we are
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the CTS-v is the definition of the American Sports Sedan.
You're right about that. I think my previous comments were brought on by too much vodka.
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the CTS-v is the definition of the American Sports Sedan.
probably the only one... just makes me cringe even more at how far behind europe and japan we are
Depends on your defenition of what Sedan is. Most people consider it a 4-door vehicle. In racing, it'* usually considered 3+ seating, so in that case, Mustangs, Vetts, and other muscle cars are sedans.

As far as racing though such as SCCA Club Racing, I'd agree that the Cadi is the only "performance sedan" out there currently although I think there'* arguements for the SRT-4 and SHO. The new Charger will be 4-door and the 300C is nice. Then you have your upper models of Bonne'*. Other than that, I can't think of too many domestics pumping 200+ HP
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many domestics have a lot of power. However they don't have sports car tendencies. Also. the Charger/Magnum are generally thought of as muscle cars, common, or slightly nicer sedans that have huge engines. Pony Cars (like the mustang) are built more for sport, but they're budget sports cars. Good sized engine, sporty chassis, and cheap.

Corvettes are 2 seaters.

Ford 500 Taurus have over 200 HP, Interpids do,
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Ford 500 Taurus have over 200 HP, Interpids do,
Yes, but for some reason those cars have a rough time going from 0-60 in under 9 sec. Possibly the lack of low end torque. For the Intrepid its the 30% loss of power due to crap trannies.
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