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Old 06-16-2003, 11:13 PM   #11
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The Lemans was an upscale GTO, not a Bonneville.
Other way around. The GTO was an upscale Lemans. The base was a Tempest.
At least in '68 - '72 that'* true.
Right, I know we're getting off the Bonneville but I wanted to give you a couple of facts about the original GTO. In 1964 it was a $300 option on any Lemans. It wasn't marketed as it'* own model until(I think) 1966! It was on its own until 1972 when Pontiac made it an Option once again. Then in 1974 it was a trim option on the Ventura(nee Nova). And that was the last(painfull) year for the original GTO. BTW. If you thought the Aztek was the first car Pontiac offerred with that Camper Tent option, you would be wrong. You could order a camper option with the Ventura/GTO Hatchback.
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My buddy is a classic Pontiac freak and he yells at me when I say the GTO was more classy than the Lemans. So I shall yell at you...

IT WENT TEMPEST, GTO, THEN LEMANS!
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It wasn't marketed as it'* own model until(I think) 1966! It was on its own until 1972 when Pontiac made it an Option once again. Then in 1974 it was a trim option on the Ventura(nee Nova). And that was the last(painfull) year for the original GTO.
Just to get the facts straight, since I owned one back in 1970, the GTO was an option on the Lemans which was an upscale Tempest, from 1964 all the way thru until 1972 when it became a pathetic option on the Ventura until 1974. I think in 1974 it could only be ordered with the 350 V8 rated at 200 hp and 295 ft-lbs of torque.
The 455 could be ordered with the Firebird up until 1976 but that year it too was only rated at 200 hp and 330 ft-lbs of torque.
Fuel crisis years. Of course they could be tuned up.

Bonnevilles have a much longer heritage. Does anyone have some facts on years and engine sizes / hp ratings ?
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IT WENT TEMPEST, GTO, THEN LEMANS!
WRONG WRONG WRONG
Your bud isn't much of a Pontiac freak.

That'* like saying my Formula is an upscale version of the Trans Am....even though I may think so.
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oh boy, well speakin' of tha GTO It looks like yet another "house wife winner award" like tha GP and GA that won a couple years in a row, looks too "Gurly" to me, tha O.G GTO was way more player look'n than this new schoo Mazda/Nissan lookin thing, doesn't have the "Real Man'*" Car look to it anymore to me, that'* my thoughts and mine only though, ladies and business men enjoy yet another sensitive look'n car brought too U by pontiac (bonneville is tha only hard car left in tha entire pontiac line now) Pontiac brought back tha GTO...... for what? woulda been better off copy'n tha TA body style (U'll be missed Mista Trans AM ) well I defenetly goin' to hear this one when I log on later on today............. Old GTO GANGSTA new GTO WANKSTA!


It'* Mista stayed up too late from work
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"Please post the Historical Pontiac Web Sites. I remember in the early 70'* they introduced the Grandville as (I believe) the top trim level of the Bonneville(B-body). In Canada, the Bonneville was dubbed the Laurentian and Parisenne. The Parisienne also saw life here in the states in the 80'* (when GM totally lost its way) and started calling the top of the line Le Mans the Bonneville G(for G Body)[/quote]"

OK-here are the books:

Pontiac! They Built Excitement-By Thomas E. Bonsall

Standard Catalog of Pontiac-By John Gunnell and Ron Kowalke

Pontiac-Since 1945 by Richard L. Busenkell

Here are the web sites

http://www.pontiacserver.com/

http://www.classicalpontiac.com/

http://www.poci.org/

http://www.pontiacenthusiast.com/
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Just to get the facts straight, since I owned one back in 1970, the GTO was an option on the Lemans which was an upscale Tempest, from 1964 all the way thru until 1972 when it became a pathetic option on the Ventura until 1974. I think in 1974 it could only be ordered with the 350 V8 rated at 200 hp and 295 ft-lbs of torque.
Almost correct, the 1973 GTO was also an option for the Lemans. The A bodies in 1973 were the LeMans, the Luxury Lemans, the LeMans Sport Coupe, the Grand Am, and the GTO (in no particular order). 1974 was the only year for the Ventura based GTO. A rumor was spread a while back that there was a 'special edition' GTO build on the 1979 LeMans platform, and that only a handful were built (it had the Olds 402--or whatever) to commemorate John DeLorean'* Birthday. I saw one of these, but I believe it to be a fake since this rumor has never been verified by GM.
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Does anyone have some facts on years and engine sizes / hp ratings ?
1964 - 389 cu. in. - 325 HP
1964 - 389 cu. in. - 348

1965 - 389 cu. in. - 335 HP
1965 - 389 cu. in. - 360

1966 - same as 1965

1967 - 400 cu. in. - 265 HP - 2 BBL - Regular Gas
1967 - 400 cu. in. - 335 HP - 4 BBL - Premium
1967 - 400 cu.in. - 360 HP - w/o Ram Air
1967 - 400 cu. in. - 360 HP - w/Ram Air

1968 - 400 cu. in. - 265 HP - 2 BBL - Regular Gas
1968 - 400 cu. in. - 350 HP - 4 BBL - Premium
1968 - 400 cu. in. - 360 HP - w/o Ram Air
1968 - 400 cu. in. - 360 HP - w/ Ram Air

1969 - 400 cu. in. - 265 HP - 2 BBL - Regular Gas
1969 - 400 cu. in. - 350 HP - 4 BBL - Premium
1969 - 400 cu. in. - 366 HP - w Ram Air
1969 - 400 cu. in. - 370 HP - w/ Ram Air IV

1970 - 400 cu. in. - 350 HP
1970 - 455 cu. in. - 360 HP - 500 ft.lb. Torque
1970 - 400 cu. in. - 366 HP - 445 ft.lb. Torque
1970 - 400 cu. in. - 370 HP - w/ Ram Air

1971 - 400 cu. in. - 255 HP Net
1971 - 455 cu. in. - 260 HP Net
1971 - 400 cu. in. - 310 HP Net

1972 - 400 cu. in. - 250 HP
1972 - 455 cu. in. - 300 HP

1973 - 350 cu. in. - 200 HP
1973 - 400 cu. in. - 250 HP
1973 - 455 cu. in. - 300 HP

1974 - 350 cu. in. - 200 HP
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My "sources" claim that in 73 the Lemans was an option on the GTO. The Lemans was a "Luxury Coupe" with nicer interior and power options.

It was all the same basic car, so who cares.

Trans Am is what I care about.
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Bonnevilles have a much longer heritage. Does anyone have some facts on years and engine sizes / hp ratings ?
I was refering to Bonnevilles years and engine types.

I have all the info on GTO'* and Firebirds.
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