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Old 03-22-2004, 08:55 PM   #11
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I gotta agree. GM has to tighten up their quality. HOPEFULLY that is happening....I watched a clip where a GM exec was discussing the Detroit Auto show, and one of the things she mentioned was that GMs future cars (starting with the Cavalier) are going to have some really nice materials inside + out. Better yet the build quality will be even better. If this happens, I say kudos to GM and I might start buying American again (I bought the Bonne used as a 2nd car to drive around).

I have taken a few BMWs apart and let me tell you, they might have their problems but the way the engineers design the parts to come together, both in the interior and engine compartment is very cool. But, I guess thats why they are $50k.
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GM seems to be just shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to cars and SUV'*. They seem to think that the public will go crazy for another re-badged car. Example, the new Chevy Trailblazer. Nice truck and all but they now have the GMC, Isuzi, Oldsmobile (gone now) and a Buick version of it too. It all becomes the same and the auto market is swamped with vehicles that arn't needed. That'* the reason Oldsmobile phased out. Olds used to be cutting edge on the car market with new gizmos that gave them a monopoly over other manufacturers. GM is just going to keep doing this and it'* sick to think they are that dumb.

God knows, they'll probably re-badge the Pontiac GTO/Holden Monaro and make a Buick version too......
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Old 03-22-2004, 09:39 PM   #13
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God knows, they'll probably re-badge the Pontiac GTO/Holden Monaro and make a Buick version too......
they kinda sorta already have!!! called the chevelle!!!
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I love the way my 91 is set up. The seats are comfortable and it handles well. I use to have an Olds Delta 88 and a Toronado. I loved both of those cars and they were classy rides. You could tell when you rode in them. They even aged well. These newer cars are not all what they are advertised to be. I like to older cars that don't have so much flimsy bumpers,fenders, etc
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I have posted this thread before mikey, and people jumped down my throat. Some people wont open there eyes, it isnt worth arguing over. Good job on the thread topic though. :o
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Old 03-23-2004, 01:51 AM   #16
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Well I have owned a couple cars over the years. Currently a 2003 Malibu LS and the 1990 Bonneville SSE.

I can tell you that after driving my Malibu all week it usually stays parked for the weekend and I drive the bonne every chance I get.

I have had more problems on my 2003 Malibu than my previous car, a 1990 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL.

My mechanic ( friends for over 10 years ) and one of the guys he works with even agree that there are as many if not more NEW cars coming in than the older ones. Once guy had a Chevy truck that was notfar off warranty and it needed over 2,000$ in repairs in the front suspension and that was NOT from an accident. They say that the cars being put out these days a really cheap and they would not buy a newer car since they are not as reliable as the older ones.

But that is not only for GM but other companies too. Probably just the domestics though since I rarely see any imports in there when I go there ( usually once a week). It is usually either GM, Ford or Dodge.

Maybe I will have to look into an import for my next car, driving as much as I do and all, hehe.
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God knows, they'll probably re-badge the Pontiac GTO/Holden Monaro and make a Buick version too......
Actually, they have already rebadged it. It'* called the Chevy Lumina in Europe and they did nothing at all to make it look different that the GTO, except badges.

I have a 2003 Monte Carlo, which is Chevy'* best selling coupe of all time in it'* current form. I bought this after Badzilla got crushed due to one of those imports and their "great interiors." I didn't get a new Bonneville because of the interior, but then again, I didn't get the new GP for the same reason. The cruise control stalk is directly out of a Toyota Camry. Why would I want to drive a CamPrix?

Bobby is taking care of the interiors. It was his first mandate to the company, but as most of us know, change takes time in GM. With model runs that last 6-7 years VS the 4 years of the imports, it'll take some time. If you want a really great interior on a GM car...look at the new LaCrosse http://www.buick.com/lacrosse/. Case closed.
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Why single out GM? I think it holds true for ALL new cars coming out. I can't count the # of imports my friends have bought and besides the great gas mileage, they will openly admit they are POS. My girl friend has a 2002 civic, and talk about cheap interior and air noise. The seats are like cement (even the same color!) and it'* noiser inside than my 89 bonnie was years ago with 300+ k on it. Another gf bought a 2003 SUNFIRE for over 20k with NOTHING IN IT!! (her 'stupidity' [for lack of better word] is antother story tho) this car dosn't even have power windows. But the seats can actually be sat in. It'* quiet inside. and it'* not as much of an eye sore inside either.

I've sat in other newer imports and I don't think their quality is above or beyond my new bonneville. Mind you, i wish the new bonnie had the 97 seats...they just don't grip the same way. When it comes down to it, I would rather have my trusted and true domestic fall apart around me than an import. Imports are derived from other countries that have traffic problems - these cars were originally designed with minimal space in mind, and minimal speed. You can put as much cushion as you want on a football player, but if the frame isn't there, neither is the player. That'* the cloest analogy my feeble brain can produce
Sorry, but GM'* still got my vote
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whats so nice about that buick interior? take a look at the 96-2003 cadillac seville, looks like a cheaper version of that.

and id expect a 2003 civic to be cheap in and out, i was talking about 30k+ cars, i understand why my step moms 2004 cavileer is cheap inside, or a civic, but there'* not a huge difference in those and some of the cars costing 2x as much, some of the parts look carried over.

im not trying to domestic bash here, my next car will be gm, most likely a gtp or gs, the buicks are ok inside i guess, the gtp'* aren't as nice, but are sportier (cant afford a 2000+ssei).

the new grand prix'*, gto'* are proof that the interiors are getting better, and there nice cars, but gm'* got some really overpriced cars out there.
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whats so nice about that buick interior? take a look at the 96-2003 cadillac seville, looks like a cheaper version of that.

and id expect a 2003 civic to be cheap in and out, i was talking about 30k+ cars, i understand why my step moms 2004 cavileer is cheap inside, or a civic, but there'* not a huge difference in those and some of the cars costing 2x as much, some of the parts look carried over.

im not trying to domestic bash here, my next car will be gm, most likely a gtp or gs, the buicks are ok inside i guess, the gtp'* aren't as nice, but are sportier (cant afford a 2000+ssei).

the new grand prix'*, gto'* are proof that the interiors are getting better, and there nice cars, but gm'* got some really overpriced cars out there.
hmm...I guess that is all in relativity. What'* over priced to you may not be to me. It all depends on one'* budget and the standards they set for what they get for their buck ON that budget.
Havn't really ridden in any other "new" 30k+ cars. My uncle has a 2001 GP gt and while the interior is ok, there'* a reason they are cheaper than the bonnevilles. My aunt has a 2003 nissan something or other which i've driven a few times, and from what i've seen so far, if I bought anything that wasn't GM, it would probably be Nissan.
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