Lounge For casual talk about things unrelated to General Motors. In other words, off-topic stuff. And anything else that does not fit Section Description.

Do wider tires help?

Thread Tools
 
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:26 PM
  #1  
J Wikoff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,433
Likes: 2
J Wikoff is on a distinguished road
Default Do wider tires help?

Do wider tires of the same compound help with traction?

Why?
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:28 PM
  #2  
BillBoost37's Avatar
DINOSAURUS BOOSTUS

Expert Gearhead
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 41,391
Likes: 30
From: Enfield, CT
BillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of lightBillBoost37 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

On clean dry surface..yes..becuase you have more surface area to contact the pavement with.

On snow..only to ride up on it..like snowshoes.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:30 PM
  #3  
LittleHoov's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,493
Likes: 0
From: Climax Springs, Missouri
LittleHoov is on a distinguished road
Default

i would say yes, simply because there is more rubber in contact with the road at all times, i think its known as a "larger contact patch"..

i would think there would be more "power" available to turn the vehicle because of the fact more rubber is on the road.


ive heard people say that are surprised when the 33x12.5s they put on their truck made it handle horribly....

well for one thing you are still using the stock steering system which wasnt designed for the heavier wheels and tires, and due to the tread pattern, you probably have less rubber in contact with pavement than you did with stock tires...
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:34 PM
  #4  
J Wikoff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,433
Likes: 2
J Wikoff is on a distinguished road
Default

I've got the counter-point to this, but I'll wait.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:39 PM
  #5  
PRD2BDF's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,064
Likes: 0
From: August 07 COTM....NEBF '06, CEBF '06 OHMM '06 ONBF '07 CEBF '07
PRD2BDF is on a distinguished road
Default

Well, from my knowledge, smaller and skinner tires help in the winters because it'* cutting through the snow/slush and get right to the road which helps you avoid getting stuck.

On dry roads, wider tires should help by turning because when you turn the sidewall gets folded over, if it'* wider, the sidewall is more resistant to folding over on itself thus helping turn faster and more crisply. Pontiac knows this because they put a inch wider tires on the front to help reduce understeer.

I may be wrong but this is what I inferred from reading.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:41 PM
  #6  
1993 SLE's Avatar
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 19,756
Likes: 1
1993 SLE is on a distinguished road
Default

Kyle (Allmatige) had wider tires on his SSEi....i think that his handleing imprioved but there was some disadvantage to the weight....
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:43 PM
  #7  
J Wikoff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,433
Likes: 2
J Wikoff is on a distinguished road
Default

I'm talking about pure straight line, mash the gas traction.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 03:48 PM
  #8  
corvettecrazy's Avatar
Senior Member
True Car Nut
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,182
Likes: 0
From: Rochester, NY (college)
corvettecrazy is on a distinguished road
Default

technically, adter taking physics, the size of the contact patch really has no influence on the amont of friction between you an there road.

that being said, wider tires allow better cooling which allows companies to use softer rubber and not have it heat up beyond the optimal temp.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:24 PM
  #9  
Logan's Avatar
Senior Member
Certified GM nut
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,246
Likes: 0
From: MI
Logan is on a distinguished road
Default

Originally Posted by LittleHoov
ive heard people say that are surprised when the 33x12.5s they put on their truck made it handle horribly....

well for one thing you are still using the stock steering system which wasnt designed for the heavier wheels and tires, and due to the tread pattern, you probably have less rubber in contact with pavement than you did with stock tires...
Think sidewall height man...

Originally Posted by J Wikoff
I'm talking about pure straight line, mash the gas traction.
I know you are going to walk all over this some how, but yeah, larger contact patch, more rubber on the ground, better traction.
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2006 | 04:33 PM
  #10  
J Wikoff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Certified Car Nut
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,433
Likes: 2
J Wikoff is on a distinguished road
Default

Alright:

Friction (what makes the car move) = mu (coefficient of friction) * mass * acceleration due to gravity
or
f = mu * m * g

So size of contact patch does not change mass or gravity. Is mu dependent on contact patch size?
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:45 PM.