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Old 04-02-2005, 06:10 PM   #21
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my point be proven thank you sir, while i agree with many of the opinions that the bonne dirve train is getting outdated, and the interior could use some fixing up, why does the bonne get such poor ratings.............i will tell you why, "becasue it comes from Detroit"

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The thing that is stifleing the country is the Elitest, Leftist, Liberals.....what these people belive and practice is backwards and contradictary to what the founding fathers based this country on..........

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Hey nicky,
take your ill-informed, ignorant, indefensible, and WRONG political bullshit and shove it up your ***.
I'm sick to death of hearing this crap from republicans about liberal this and liberal that.
The republicans have done a real good job of running the country, huh? That'* why we have a bigger deficit than ever in our history, less than ten years after we had a $4,000,000,000 surplus? That'* why our schools are cutting their curriculums to the bone? That'* why gas prices are higher than they've been since the 70s? That'* why inflation is out of control right now?
Tell me again why we invaded Iraq? WMDs? Nukes? SCUDs?
(Yes, I support our troops, but we should never have gone into Iraq, we already had too much on our hands in Afganistan, and Iraq couldn't hurt us or our allies)

Mods, Admins, you need to start cracking down on offensive political BS like this guy is spouting.
Let'* keep this forum free of the kind of infighting that made me leave Columbus Racing.

P.*. Mods, if you feel the need to delete this post, then please do me the favor of removing the entire thread. I will not have my views attacked in a public forum without the right to reply in kind.
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...stops, looks around, immediately searches for cover.......
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...stops, looks around, immediately searches for cover.......
Sorry, I'm just sick of people who don't bother to research their opinions (one way or the other) spouting them off to anyone who does or does NOT care to listen. I lean towards the liberal side of the political spectrum and I am sick of being attacked for it. I am not rich, lazy, or elitist, in fact I am poor, bust my *** for a living, and have NEVER been accused of being elitist.
It seems like everyone out there is out to tear the country in half, when we really need to be trying to work hardest to hold things together.
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No need to apologize, just throwing some unexpected humor into the mix.
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Don't blame the US, blame the UAW.

Is it a surprise to me the bonneville was killed after the 00+ models? Not after what i've learned.
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i yeild, its all good, i have to admit that i just keep doing this becuase im trying to get a reaction, appoligize for getting off the topic of bonnevilles and the whos right and wrong, politiclly......Im sorry Gonneville for charging this thread up so much, i should not have been so personally attacking, right or left, i guess we are all part of the same bonneville club, if you still think im a ****, i dont mind, becuase i am.....

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QUIT COMPLAINING
personaly i could care less of anyone political view in this fourm take your complaints else where this fourm is for discussion of pontiac bonnevilles not argueing about politics I understand about auto mags being bias (how can motor trend give the 04' car of the year to a toyota gokart that has a hybrid engine but has a 19 sec quarter mile) hopefully things can change and those auto mags can give cars coming out of detriot a chance
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but i have a seprate resopce for the post about the so called LAZY AMERICANS, this could not be more of a bold faced lie, if America as a whole is rich, lazy, and not willing to work for what we all have then let me ask you, how did we get so rich? Ah yes, lets look back on our ansestory and take into acount the millions of fingers that were worked to the bone building and inovating this country from the ground up.
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That was then. I never said that we've always been that way. I said that we've become that way now.
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To get back to the original point about Consumer Reports' reliability, there is something interesting to point out. I'm relating these facts from memory, so pardon me if they're not spot-on, but Nicky is right that the Bonneville got a reliability rating of "Poor." However the Grand Prix'* reliability ratings are listed at "Good" or "Excellent" (I can't remember which). If you don't believe me, check out the 2005 car review issue of CR. Something just doesn't add up here. How can they share the same drive train but have such a disparity in ratings? Needless to say it makes me slightly guarded when reading CR opinions.
Powertrain isn't the sole issue in determining reliability...
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