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Old 11-29-2005, 04:12 PM   #1
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051129/D8E65BJ80.html

It really isn't that suprising. Liberalism, like communism and facism, cannot sustain itself.
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Uh-Oh. Here we go again.

Behave boys.
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Actually they have been talking about it for a while now. Funny thing I heard today is that if they do have an election, nothing will change. They did some surveys and got the response from people that nothing would change.
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Not conservative, maybe just less liberal?
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I'll be nice, and politely address the comment on Liberalism.

First off, simply because a motion passed in the house to bring down the existing Liberal government does not mean that the Conservative party automatically forms the government. The house was officially dissolved this morning by the Governer General, and an election is set for January 23rd.

Currently, the Liberal government is listed as ahead in the polls, by anywhere from 5-8%, depending on who you believe. Granted, it'* not a huge margin, but Canada'* system of representation by population plays a huge role here.

Breifly, rep by pop means simply that areas with more population have greater number of representatives. For example Alberta (West Canada) has only 28 of 308 seats, whereas Ontario (East Canada) has 103 of 308 seats. Fortunately for the Liberal party and Paul Martin, the majority of their support is in the highly-populated East, while the Conservatives have more support out West (where there are fewer seats). You can compare it with the US, where states like California and New York are some of the "big ones" that a Presidential candidate needs to win to have strong support.

So, what will happen in the election? Well, at this point it'* looking like the Liberals will form a minority government again. A lot of Canadians are upset at the Conservatives about forcing us into an election over Christmas time, plus few have faith in the leadership in the party. Anyways, I predict a Liberal minority, but time will tell.

As far as the sustainability of Liberalism, well, I'll stick to Canada as an example. Basically Liberalism and Conservatism have been equal in terms of how often they have formed governments. From 1984-1993, the Convervatives (well, Progressive Conservatives, officially) held power. The Liberals have been in power since 1993, and may now very well be on their way out.

So really, neither form of government is any more or less sustainable than the other, and Conservatism has a much chance of failing as Liberalism does. And, frankly, China has been a communist state (albeit with free-market leanings) for almost 60 years, so Communism hasn't really collapsed either, has it? I won't mention the number of fascist states that still exist today...
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Old 11-29-2005, 06:14 PM   #6
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Thank you for your reply. Good information. Are you aware of our famous red/blue election map by county. The map is 95% red, with the blue spots over the big east and west coast cities. Does Canada have a similar style map? What I mean is would it be all red, with the blue covering the east coast major cities. Or is it not even the same, meaning are Canadian conservatives liberal to US conservatives?
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The province of Ontario will never vote majority Conservative....ever. It will be a dark day in someones hell before Ontarians elect another Conserative to Parliament

Personally I believe this election is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Its just gonna end in another Liberal minority government. Trouble is, Steven Harper and the Progressive Conseratives dont seem to have an agenda, and most fear his style.

The one thing we have in common with the US...we are as divided as you people are.
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The one thing we have in common with the US...we are as divided as you people are.

wow.....well we are not divided as we were before as far as approval ratings go as such.



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According to most recent surveys, just 28 percent of Americans think the president is doing a good job, the lowest in a decade.
not to sidetrack but just something I saw.
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When you think of the media doing all it can to destroy this country, they must be frustrated they are not doing a better job, even with their slanted polls.
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I really don't want a winter election, and I certainly do not want Steven Harper (the man scares me) as my Prime Minister. If only the NDP had a stronger party, I trust Jack Layton more than I do the other two Bozos.

To have done this now, only shows me one thing...Steven Harper just wants to be Prime Minister...He is certainly not doing this to help the rest of the country out!!!
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