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Old 03-22-2003, 01:21 AM   #11
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my facts are straight this was in the 60`* i was around then and remember north america helpin the middle east countries oust one bad guy and replace him with what we thought was a not so bad as last guy....oooops where we wrong
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Hey now, I thought you were talking bout not that late ago. I'm only 17 so I didn't know what the heck happened back then. We never learned it in history, so I guess it wast major, not that I don't believe you.
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People are so incredibly ignorant of history.

The US supported Iran through the Shaw up until 1979 and the Iranian Revolution. Most people know that some of the Iranians held people in our embassy hostage but many of those same people choose to ignore why that happen.

The Shaw in Iran was just as brutal if not more so then Saddam in Iraq and the US supported him so that we would have a US friendly government in the Middle East.

After Iran fell the US needed a new friendly government in the Middle East and that is where Iraq came in. We supported Iraq in various ways, many of them illegaly, throughout the 1980'* up until the very day before Iraq invaided Kuwait. We even gave the Iraqi'* the satellite intelligence necessary in order to use chemical weapons against the Iranians and the Kurds. That is a fact the Bush administration leaves out of all their press briefings.

If you want to learn more and don't care to get into the real heavy academic history and political texts you can start with this book. With Friends Like These Reagan, Bush and Saddam 1982-1990 By Bruce W Jentleson.
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Old 03-22-2003, 12:22 PM   #14
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The french Government (not the people mind you) have lost all respect in my eyes. They've been supporting Iraq for years. Guess where Iraq got the plutonium to start their nuclear program? One guess. France.

BTW for those who don't know, I was a Marine.
SIR! I'm not sure if it was France that supplied Saddam with Plutonium(but who else could have at that time). BUT many years ago they did supply Iraq with a Nuclear Reactor. Israel'* F-16'* destroyed it before it was able to go on-line. The French have been supplying Iraq with a rocket propellant called HTBP. You can read it here in the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/20/opinion/20SAFI.html

No French Toast for me!!!
The french supplied the reactor which PROVIDES the ingredients for a nuclear weapon as a natural byproduct of the nuclear fission process. It'* the same thing as giving them a bomb. The iraqi'* have enough dams and hydro power to supply all their electrical needs. I wonder why they wanted nuclear? Hmmmmm.....

Also, our loyalties change as regimes change. Much of the time it'* a case of picking the lesser of two evils. Much like the Iran/Contra scandal. I was actually involved in that one, but on the other end. (not Iran).
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The lesser of two evils philosophy has screwed us time and time again.

We need to stop doing that.
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Awww. I'll have to get rid of my French Blue French silk tie!
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Well my 2 cents from Up north were the government would rather sit on their *** than get involved, ( mind you I guess we need an army to send an army, LOL. Canadian Joke. Gov has been cutting back too much funding for the army and the equipment is getting old).

I say they should have taken care of the problem ( him and sons) back in the early 90'*. There are alot of people happy that they are going after him ( in Iraq and Iraqis in Canada). Too bad it has to be this way, but it has to be done. Don't get me wrong I would like to see this happen another way than a war but it didn't happen that way.

Hopefully this will be over soon.
I guess one good thing is that Canada was talking about spending a bunch of cash to help rebuild the country afterwards. This is going to take time and tons of cash to get a new economy structure built and well everything. Lets hope they ALL do it right this time.
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If we play this carefully, Iraq should be able to repay any debts incurred in rebuilding. They have the potential to be one of the richest oil exporters worldwide. And at the same time, our gas prices will drop.

I understand fully the military situation in Canada. I feel bad for you guys. It puts your government in a more dependent position with regards to the US. My personal feeling is that we're here for you! Made me proud to be fighting side by side in Gulf 1
with the Canucks. Just like with the Aussies and Brits now.

You guys see what the price of a barrel of oil did yesterday since the war is going so well and there are relatively few burning wells? Dropped like a rock. I see light at the end of the tunnel!
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It nice to hear that the US armed forces and the US in general understands the state of the Canadian armed forces. We typically handle Peacekeeping efforts in co-ordination with the United Nations.

The US is our big brother and I hope the Americans in general can kinda forgive some of our members of Parliment and the genaeral public for some of their comments and actions recently....they don't speak for the vast majority of Canadians

The more I understand the reasons behind this recent offensive, the more I understand why it has to be done.

Did you guys know that the recent Iraqi surrenderers make only 4 dollars a month in salary? And Saddam has like 12 castles and palaces, WTF is that!!...well not anymore

Hopefully this ends quickly
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It nice to hear that the US armed forces and the US in general understands the state of the Canadian armed forces. We typically handle Peacekeeping efforts in co-ordination with the United Nations.

The US is our big brother and I hope the Americans in general can kinda forgive some of our members of Parliment and the genaeral public for some of their comments and actions recently....they don't speak for the vast majority of Canadians

The more I understand the reasons behind this recent offensive, the more I understand why it has to be done.

Did you guys know that the recent Iraqi surrenderers make only 4 dollars a month in salary? And Saddam has like 12 castles and palaces, WTF is that!!...well not anymore

Hopefully this ends quickly
And a large number of them don't even have shoes. You guys know how hot that sand is on bare feet? They beg for water too.
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