Lol one of my friends who had a stock GTP tried to race a CTS-V and I got a call 10 seconds later saying. " Ed, guess what I just tried to race!?!"

I gave the CTS-V old guy the Thumbs up

He was happy he got the thumbs up and I was happy seeing what his car can do.Damn the rotors on that thing were as big as dinner plates. Old Guys in Ferraris or Porches never show what their car can do. They just use them to get young blonde chicks cause their old.

STS-V> CTS-V. I'll take a 469hp */C N* over a 400hp LS6 anyday!

Umm guys Pontiac was wrong when they rated the auto faster than teh stick!

Not always true. The autos tend to be more consistent with their times, whereas a manual can vary. So on average, you would do better with an auto. But it really comes down to driver skill.

I'd say the auto and manual would be pretty even overall.

It probably comes down to launchability. The auto does it so much easier.

Agreed. Auto/Manual would probably be neck and neck for the typical driver, but someone who really knows what they're doing would probably get better results from the extra pedal and snick-snicking through the gears.

The manual can lay down more power as well. YOu just need skill in putting it down.

one of the reason most sticks are faster than auto'* is gearing. much more aggressive gearing for sticks. but the auto gto'* got the same FDR gearing as the sticks, which is pretty uncommon (im not sure on the individual gear ratio'*). the auto gto'* have a 3.46 fdr, even the c5 corvette'* only had a option of 3.15, 2.73 standard (which are dogs off the line).

this hurts gas mileage though

no person can shift as fast as a properly tuned automatic, no one. alot of cars delay the shift to add comfort, which is why i say properly tuned auto.

from seeing the best times on ls1gto.com, the very fastest stick gto is only .2 faster in the 1/4 than the fastest auto (stock cars) overall the auto'* are faster. the auto gto'* also have a TON more torque managment. so stock for stock both with tunes done, the auto gto is faster, gm just de-tuned them abit to keep down warranty work

guys have gotten 30hp, 40tq increase from just dyno tunes, they're just now realesing the tunning software in beta form (20hp 30tq seems to be the average increase, but there'* room for improvment)

Are these 04 or 05 that the data is from? I was quoting the 05 brochure from Pontiac.