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Old 11-11-2005, 09:46 AM   #11
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Ok, now that I see your present wheels, our cars are identical, in pretty much everyway.!

The Bonneville is an H-Body, really? Never new that, I guess I've had 10 now, lol.

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Ok, now that I see your present wheels, our cars are identical, in pretty much everyway.!

The Bonneville is an H-Body, really? Never new that, I guess I've had 10 now, lol.

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Yup, GM likes to reuse their letters... Too much sometimes...

With the redesign of the 87 Bonneville it was now the H body, it ramained an H body until this year, the last year of production... But the later 2000+ resembles the G body if I remember correctly, But they are all Vin'd as H bodies...

Welcome to the club...

And this Monza..... What kind of power does that 5.0 put down... Nothing like a Chevy Small Block

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Thanks for the welcome, seems like a good grouping here.

The Monza came factory with the 5.0 till 1980 (oil embargos, etc and GM dropped the V8 in 80). My 80 Spyder has the original version of the Bonnie'* 3.8. Just a nicely rebuilt 231 V6, sporting about 170hp, give or take a pony or 2.

The factory 5.0 put out 145 HP in '79 (remember this was the late '70'*, emissions chocked the hell out of everything gas powered - '75 Monza with a factory 5.7L sported an aenemic 125 HP).

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Thanks for the welcome, seems like a good grouping here.

The Monza came factory with the 5.0 till 1980 (oil embargos, etc and GM dropped the V8 in 80). My 80 Spyder has the original version of the Bonnie'* 3.8. Just a nicely rebuilt 231 V6, sporting about 170hp, give or take a pony or 2.

The factory 5.0 put out 145 HP in '79 (remember this was the late '70'*, emissions chocked the H*** out of everything gas powered - '75 Monza with a factory 5.7L sported an aenemic 125 HP).

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we try... I wonder if all of the US Monzas came with the 5.0 untill that point... We rebuilt a 265( I think ) Chevy V8 Painted the original GM Orange... It had 50,000 miles on it, but it had sat in the weather so long that when the engine was used it broke the piston rings in one cylinder... It was oiled and then turned by hand... Engine was great for a good while... It had started smoking.... we tore into it and found the broken ring...

It was an odd one to get pistons for, took 3 tries... We decided to rebuild it, used 350 heads if I remember correctly( after a valve job ), I think the cam was pretty mild at .480 lift, flat top pistons and the like... It turned into the little motor that could... we ended up putting that motor into an 83 GMC truck... We were supprised that it was happy to move the truck let alone tow 3500-4000 Lbs... After the rebuild, it never burned a drop of oil.. Didn't have gobs of low end torque, but it was more than happy to wind out when you called on it...

Can you Tell I like Chevy V8'*.... Chevy V8'* are how I learned a lot about engines and cars for that matter....

And yeah the power robbing days.... My father never liked the Buick 3.8... Thought it was junky.... My grandmother had a 78 LeMans with that 3.8, Only thing good about it is that it was attached to a Turbo 350 Trans... He actually refused to buy another Buick powered car after having an 82 Century with a 3.0 and driving his mothers LeMans with the 3.8...

When I bought my 95 Bonneville and he drove it once( Ran to the Speed Limiter ) He came back impressed... I think he said " Those Buick motors have come a long way "...

I think 85 was the first year that GM used the Fuel Injected 3.8 in a C Body if memory serves, still had the three belt system, and the HEI distributor... In 86 most of the C and H body 3.8'* were now Distributorless and had the serpintine belt system... Then in 87 The Bonneville finally got its redesign, and used the Vin 3 3.8 V6 HO that was first used in 86 In some oldsmobiles and Buicks...

In 88 the Vin 3 was phased out, There are some 88'* that have the Vin 3 motor.... The 3800 was the new motor, and the engine was all new, and in terms of emissions and low friction it was on top of the Game... Its no wonder we see the first 3800'* with 250,000 to 300,000 Miles on them and still run good... Its amazing to see what the 3.8 has become throughout the many many many years of production...

I'm talking too much...LOL

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That was probably a 262 V8 you had out of a Monza. It was a very limited powerplant (1975-76 only) and was at it'* best as a boat anchor. No power or torque (as you found out) and limited potential, if any. It couldn't meet emisions in California either so the Monza got a 350 in CA in 1975 and the 305 in '76 till the 305 became standard in '77.

Your right about the evolution of the 3.8, from that shaky, rough running odd fire of the mid seventies to the even-fire 3.8'* in my Monza Spyder and Buick Road Hawk to the Supercharged version I have in my SSEi, to the Series II in my '98 Firebird. Hell, I should forget my future V8 plans for the Monza Spyder and just turbocharge a 3.8, just to be different (V8'* in a Monza are the no-brainer mod for that car).

By the way, love this Bonnie, what a great ride, plenty of power for me, comfortable as hell, killer looks and the kids absolutely love the ride and the toys and gadgets inside (OK, so do I). Couldn't be happier with the choice.

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That was probably a 262 V8 you had out of a Monza. It was a very limited powerplant (1975-76 only) and was at it'* best as a boat anchor. No power or torque (as you found out) and limited potential, if any. It couldn't meet emisions in California either so the Monza got a 350 in CA in 1975 and the 305 in '76 till the 305 became standard in '77.

Your right about the evolution of the 3.8, from that shaky, rough running odd fire of the mid seventies to the even-fire 3.8'* in my Monza Spyder and Buick Road Hawk to the Supercharged version I have in my SSEi, to the Series II in my '98 Firebird. H***, I should forget my future V8 plans for the Monza Spyder and just turbocharge a 3.8, just to be different (V8'* in a Monza are the no-brainer mod for that car).

By the way, love this Bonnie, what a great ride, plenty of power for me, comfortable as H***, killer looks and the kids absolutely love the ride and the toys and gadgets inside (OK, so do I). Couldn't be happier with the choice.

Bryan
Was talking to my friend the other day and he said that his neices husband blew up the Motor in the truck... I asked how the H*** did he blow up a small displacement V8 like that... As I had to follw my friend several times while he drove another car back... I hammered that truck quite a few times, love to hear all 4 barrels open up... Appearently he ran it low on oil and Boom... The she got a 305 Caprice, ran awsome and was in great shape... He ran it low on oil and it too went boom...

Anyhow back to that 262, it wasn't much for torque at all, but the flat top pistons and the cam sure did give it some life on the top end anyhow... Was great on gas being that it was a small displacement V8 tho.....lol

Yeah the bonneville was always an intesting car from 87-05.... Its too bad with the 00+ I feel that Pontiac got away from what the Bonneville really was, and tried to turn it into something it would never truely be, a caddililac But I still have a love of the Bonneville... I have sence the first 87 came out...

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The 1st Gen ones were what we were hoping to get, but very few still kicking around and even fewer in decent shape, so the 2nd Gen was the way to go, and couldn't be happier now!

Thanks Tracy, and that'* where I got my Bonnie, *. Side of the Lake - St. Catherines via ebay.

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The 1st Gen ones were what we were hoping to get, but very few still kicking around and even fewer in decent shape, so the 2nd Gen was the way to go, and couldn't be happier now!

Thanks Tracy, and that'* where I got my Bonnie, *. Side of the Lake - St. Catherines via ebay.

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St. Cat'* is a great place - especially Port Delucie - went there this summer on a '99 Baja - took about 40 mins at crusin' speed. It'* about a 40 min drive from me - NOT counting any delays at the border. I avoid crossing by car - going by boat is waaaay easier!
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