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Old 12-05-2011, 08:01 PM   #1
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I seem to hear that a lot of other countries have diesel sedans everywhere. Diesel seems to be the choice for many not in the US. My big question is....why is it so hard to get a diesel sedan around here. Or something other than a pickup truck at least. I know there are a few luxury diesels, or old beaters, but I want something newer, less smelly, and loaded with torque and great gas mileage. I am 6'4" VW is generally out of the question, I like my space and therefore will not get rid of the lesabre until it explodes. Still. Anyone know of a newer diesel in the US that is not a pickup and doesn't cost 25k? and I am talking used.
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gas mileage. Gets excellent gas mileage because it doesn't use any. MPG is what I meant
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I don't know of any diesel cars. They tried it here a few years back and wound up driving up the cost of diesel.
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Our country doesn't use diesel in cars or small trucks because our people have been brainwashed that diesel is dirty. They think it'* worse for the environment. They fail to understand it costs less to refine so it would be cheaper once they have a reason to make more of it, instead of just for tractors, big rigs, and big pickups. They also don't realize that it'* more efficient than gas is.
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i dont know why, but ive wanted the same thing for a while. VW has the jetta and passat tdi now both really nice cars over 40mpg, you barley even tell they are diesel. but they want 25 new and all the used ones around here had 100k and they still wanted 20. they should make something normal people could buy, thats who would be the normal purchaser of the car anyway someone who wants to same some money on fuel. i live in a rural area and they still have diesel everywhere for tractors and pickups.
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My girlfriend is a cab driver in the Uk and drives a Peugeot 307 diesel (VW Jetta size), apart from a noisy start up and a busy idle you would be hard pressed to tell it had a diesel under the hood. It returns 40+ mpg and has 140k miles which is maybe a quarter of the life of the engine if it is maintained properly.
Diesel is a few pence more per liter than regular gas in the UK.
My sister lives in France and diesel is around 2/3rds the price of gas.

I think the underdeveloped Oldsmobile diesel did much to make them unpopular, I had one and it was endless trouble. Also gas is still very cheap in the USA compared to the rest of the developed world.

Apart from the range of GM cars with the Olds unit the mk6 Lincoln was offered with a BMW turbo diesel in the early '80s and Dodge trucks could have a Mitsubishi diesel in the late '70s. Anyone know of any others?.

Europe now has an infrastructure of experienced diesel mechanics in just about any reputable repair shop, diesel started becoming popular in the mid '80s, it seems the USA has a lot of catching up to do.

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Some older *-10s and Isuzu trucks had diesels. Some newer Jeeps had diesel (when Daimler owned them).

Here are the ones available in 2010 in the US. Audi A3 2.0 TDI, Audi Audi Q7 TDI, BMW Advanced Diesel 335d, BMW X5xDrive35d, Mercedes ML350 sport utility, Mercedes R350 crossover, Volkswagen Jette, Volkswagen Golf, and Volkswagen Touareg.
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i remember in the service manuals for my 86 jeep XJ and my 86 escort they mentioned diesels, though i never saw one. back then probably nothing to care about.

if they made a affordable car i think it would take off, all those are too expensive.
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I still see a few TDI Jeep Libertys running around...Supposedly the reason why Jeep quit selling them in the states is because too many people didn't realize that diesels have a different, stronger odor than gasoline, and they didn't like that smell anywhere. Now me personally, I love the smell of a diesel on a cold, clear morning (that'* the farm boy in me lol). I'd love to see more diesels running around. I mean just look at the Audi Q7 with the v12 TDI engine in it. That'* around 700 lb. ft. of torque in an SUV, not to mention they were thinking of putting it in the R8.
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Some older *-10s and Isuzu trucks had diesels. Some newer Jeeps had diesel (when Daimler owned them).

Here are the ones available in 2010 in the US. Audi A3 2.0 TDI, Audi Audi Q7 TDI, BMW Advanced Diesel 335d, BMW X5xDrive35d, Mercedes ML350 sport utility, Mercedes R350 crossover, Volkswagen Jette, Volkswagen Golf, and Volkswagen Touareg.
All European cars.

Ford and GM both run diesels in other countries
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