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Old 04-07-2003, 02:21 PM   #21
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True race cars area always mid engine.

Just go look at all the F-1 cars.
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oops I should have clarified, I meant in street or quarter mile, (i guess some wouldn't really consider that racing) but yeha in F1 it is best.
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Old 04-07-2003, 10:34 PM   #23
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Well then compare apples to apples, comparing a Mclaren to an NSX is Rediculous.
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The McLaren is over a million to buy while the NSX is 80,00 and I believe the McLAren is a v-10 or V-12 while the NSX is a V-6. If you wanted to truly compare you the NSX you would to a Supra, Skyline or RX-7.
The McLaren F1 is powered by a BMW S70/2 engine (the * signifis that it is a ///M engine). Dsplacing 6.1 L and producing 627 HP and in the V-12 configuration, it was, and continues to be one of the most advanced engines of it'* type ever to be put into a production street car. I was trying to make a comparrison on the same level as a Bonnie to a NSX.

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Besides as a racing car NSX'* are not that great as the are mid engined and rear wheel drive so oversteer is always a problem.
I am guessing that this is the reason that Formula 1 cars are all mid-engined and RWD... BTW, why would they make Formula 1 cars mid-engine RWD if it wasn't the best set-up for racing??? The truth is that mid-engine, RWD is the BEST set-up for racing and all around handling.
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So here'* what I found out just for *****-n-giggles. I already have all the info on a series I supercharged engine so I'll use that for the baseline. Sorry its not n/a but the idea is there. Starting at an acceptable error rate of 5% the hp is stock at 220hp at 4500rpm with 8.5:1 compression and 10psi of boost. Bumping that up to 9.5:1 you net 235hp @ 5000rpm. Going balls up to 10.4:1 you end up with 246hp @ 5000rpm. Pulling from the lotus esprit and using 4valve/cyl heads with each valve retaining the stock size (nearly impossible but lets keep it simple) you'll pull in 424hp if you could reach the 7500rpm its created at otherwise it'll be 341hp at 5000rpm. Cool thing is using the same size valves on the 4valve/cyl heads used on the lotus will net you [email protected] 5000rpm. So we have:

Bore: 3.800
Stroke: 3.400
Compression ratio: 10.4:1
Power: 366hp @ 6500rpm
Head chamber: Unk. metal 4valve per cyl
Valvegear: hydrolic roller cam with "stock" timing
Inlet valves: 33.02mm
Exhaust valves: 30.48mm
Supercharger: Single Eaton M62-A 10psi max

Bonneville: 96.3 hp per L
Lotus: 100hp per L

Close enough by my book especially for having one supercharger instead of 2 turbos.
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Well, being a recent immigrant from Australia, I am going to throw in my 2c on the issue.

My uncle in Australia bought a Honda NSX a couple of years ago. In Australia, that car is a luxury sport car and there is a 50% additional luxury tax on it over the regular taxes and import charges. So his NSX cost him about $240,000 Australian.

Yes, that is a lot, even in Australia. I have driven it and I can say I wouldnt call it a supercar. Its real nice, but not what I would expect for that price. The acceleration wasnt that great. I have a Z28 Camero that I prefer over the rice machine. And it sounds so much better

And talking about cars not being imported to North America, i think its the emissions thing. I used to race some Rally cars and the best cars were Nissan SkyLine and Toyota Celica'*. I dont think the same model cars are available here. The Skyline Rocks
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I thought the Lotus Esprit held the HP per Liter Title.

Configuration: Aluminum-alloy twin-turbocharged V8, 90 degree cylinder bank angle, single-plane crankshaft.

Bore: 83 mm

Stroke: 81mm

Capacity: 3506 cc

Power: 350 HP @ 6500 rpm

Torque: 295 lb ft @ 4250 rpm

Head Chamber Aluminum alloy, four-valve pent-roof combustion

Valvegear: Dual overhead camshafts with one toothed belt per bank, hydraulic tappets.

Inlet valves: 33.5 mm

Exhaust valves: 30.0 mm

Block: LM25TF aluminum alloy with cast iron "wet" lines, spheroidal graphite cast iron cross-bolted main bearing caps.

Turbochargers: Two Garrett T25 water-cooled, oil lubricated.

Fueling: One primary injector per cylinder, one secondary injector per bank.

Ignition: Four double-ended coils triggered from crankshaft sensor.

Ancillaries: Water pump, alternator, power steering pump, air conditioning compressor.

Weight: 485 lb with ancillaries



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It does but we are talkin about naturally aspirated hp/liter. The s2000 for all of you to know runs a mid 14 sec. in the 1.4 and the NSX runs in the mid-high 13'*. Also Jay are those figures for the bare bones Espirit?? I thought the top of the line espirit made over 450hp....??? anyone play Gran Turismo 2?? wanna know anything about a car....look on there!
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anyone play Gran Turismo 2?? wanna know anything about a car....look on there!
Man GT2, never cared for it. I liked the original and the 3rd one is the best racing game of all time. It isnt always reliable, but it isn't horrible. www.car-facts.com or www.carpoint.com have a lot of specs for every car. weight, engine specs, blah blah
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I thought the Lotus Esprit held the HP per Liter Title.

Configuration: Aluminum-alloy twin-turbocharged V8, 90 degree cylinder bank angle, single-plane crankshaft.

Bore: 83 mm

Stroke: 81mm

Capacity: 3506 cc

Power: 350 HP @ 6500 rpm

Torque: 295 lb ft @ 4250 rpm

Head Chamber Aluminum alloy, four-valve pent-roof combustion

Valvegear: Dual overhead camshafts with one toothed belt per bank, hydraulic tappets.

Inlet valves: 33.5 mm

Exhaust valves: 30.0 mm

Block: LM25TF aluminum alloy with cast iron "wet" lines, spheroidal graphite cast iron cross-bolted main bearing caps.

Turbochargers: Two Garrett T25 water-cooled, oil lubricated.

Fueling: One primary injector per cylinder, one secondary injector per bank.

Ignition: Four double-ended coils triggered from crankshaft sensor.

Ancillaries: Water pump, alternator, power steering pump, air conditioning compressor.

Weight: 485 lb with ancillaries



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It does but we are talkin about naturally aspirated hp/liter. The s2000 for all of you to know runs a mid 14 sec. in the 1.4 and the NSX runs in the mid-high 13'*. Also Jay are those figures for the bare bones Espirit?? I thought the top of the line espirit made over 450hp....??? anyone play Gran Turismo 2?? wanna know anything about a car....look on there!
umm... wrong... that engine is only putting out 100 HP/L, i know of atleast one car that came from the factory with a turbo engine that was putting out on the order of 180HP/L
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