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Old 09-09-2006, 06:48 PM   #1
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The subject line speaks for itself . My 93 has leaked for over 2 years now . Everytime I think I've got it licked it springs another one . Many of you will say that I'm being unfair to this old car but I've owned many cars this age and they haven't leaked like this one . Heck , my old 69 Camaro convertible din't leak like this car and that'* no lie ! It looks like I"m going to have to take a loss on what little I could sell it for right now because I no longer have time to waste on this car searching for leaks .And it'* certainly not worth taking to the dealer to fix - that would cost a fortune for them to take the dash out looking for it. So far I've repositioned all of the shrunken door seals and sealed about 4 leaks under the dash! Mechanically it'* been a good car and the engine still runs fine but in the last year I've turned 2 of my acquaintances away from buying a Pontiac . They bought Chevy'* instead and are glad they did . I've owned many Chevy'* and a Buick and never a drop inside. I recently Googled Pontiac leaks and was disappointed to see how many of the later models still have this problem . How many of you with 05'* have leaks ? Turns out it'* a body seam someplace buried under panels and wiring . I'll still buy American but never this brand again and I'll warn anyone I can to stay away from Pontiac. I truly liked this Bonneville so much when I bought it that I thought I'd never buy another Gm brand but I've changed my mind They sure build a good looking , fast car though . Could be that it'* time Pontiac is retired by GM
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Lets see whats in this post....

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i hate closed minded people that will go out and try to destroy a name based on one simple design flaw.

NEVER BUY A DODGE, how many rams have has tranny problems? How many neons have blown head gaskets?

NEVER BUY A LINCOLN, are they still using air ride?



maybe you shouldnt talk down an entire car line based on one vehilce, or one common problem, no matter what you buy, it will have its problems, get over it. i hope your proud of yourself to have posted your ignorant garbage



ok, im done here.

im gonna run away right behind ryan
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The following comment based on observational humor is for entertainment purposes only and should not be taken as an insult or perceived in a malicious tone:


Maybe your car has water in it because you live in New Orleans...
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You know, I actually kind of understand where you're coming from, although I think it isn't really fair to trash-talk an entire brand based on one leaky car, or even a bunch of people with leaky cars. But that'* really what "brand-loyalty" is all about. If you're impressed with your car, you might be likely to buy another car of that brand based on your past experience. And I think it goes both ways; if you have a really bad experience with a car, you're probably not going to be very enthusiastic about buying another car of that brand.

I have similar feelings about Ford products, based on the various Ford, Mercury, and Lincoln product my father had when I was growing up. His cars were horrible in so many ways, that I will never buy a Ford product, by choice.

At the same time, I'm sure there are plenty of great Ford cars. I just don't want to be associated with them. And I think it'* equally fair that you elect to not buy Pontiacs in the future.

I'm not really crazy about the current Pontiac offerings, so if I needed to get a new car, I'm not sure at all what I would buy.

I don't think your leaks in your thirteen-year-old car are representative of the majority, although there have certainly been others here in this club that have struggled with water leaks too, so you're definitely not alone.

I do hope that whatever you choose works out for you, and I hope that by mentioning your struggle with water leaks here, you may help some future used-Bonneville buyers to be aware that it is a potential problem that should be inspected and tested for. There are definitely cars with chronic problems that aren't worth the time and effort to keep fixing, and when it'* gone too far, it'* time to get rid of the car and get something else.
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I'm sure your rant was intended to get the responses that you have so far. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and to express it here but I agree with Toasty. Yes, you are being unfair to a 13 year old car. You may not have had water leaks in your other cars, but I'll bet that you have had problems with them. Many of us could give you a litany of common problems with particular brands, including foreign ones. A friend of mine has a 2005 Grand Cherokee with a water leak that the dealer can't find. That would hardly prod me to tell someone not to buy one.

If you have a good knowledge of various cars, and your friends look to you for advice, by all means share your knowledge with them but keep it in proper perspective.
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What would a hurricane have to do with multiple leaks unless a tree fell on it ? Actually the car was evacuated in and has always been taken care of and garaged . Yes , I'm sure this post will tick some of you off and , yes ,some one was bound to call me closed minded or stupid or some other such derogatory adjective or pronoun without evaluating the facts in this particular case . Some people will come down on you no matter what . In defense of such people (because I'm such a nice guy ) I will say that , of course , there is no way they could possibly know this either and , therefore , might prematurely try to conveniently categorize or stereotype me . In defense of myself , I'll say that such people should think , well , maybe he got a bad one and , well , maybe he has the right to be afraid of going through such as this again . But to say that you hate someone because they 've decided they'll never buy another type of car is a bit , actually , highly immature . How can one overlook so many design flaws for manufacturing flaws and decide to give the same company a chance to put them through it again ? If someone on this board had a Honda that had done this , would you buy another Honda ? Just curious.If you bought a Sony that kept giving you problems would you buy another Sony ? And would you condemn such a person because he decided to do so ? I'm still a GM guy all the way ! Come on , cut me a little slack here
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It'* interesting to me..

Many around me have leaks.. I've had two w/o any leaks whatsoever.

Sorry to hear of your bad luck.. however looking at a car line like that will quickly put you on a bicycle as you decide there is an issue with every car you ever buy.
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You have defended your side, now I will defend another side.

If you would not buy another Pontiac based on 13 year old quality issues, why would you buy any GM? Other than high end Cadillacs and Corvettes, they all have very similar engineering, assembly, and inspection proceedures and guidelines.

My father works in an engine assembly plant for a company that builds construction equipment where his tasks vary from assembling, washing, and inspecting the engine or its parts. He has convinced himself that he would not buy one of these engines based on the problems he sees, even though those engines don't make it out the door. I told him it could very well be his own fault if he received one of them.

Every manufacturer of every product has its problems and there is no way around that.


In defense of my old Bonny, I've only ever had one leak. The weather stripping on the front passenger door had come loose where an ignorant friend pulled himself out on the b-pillar. The next carwash shot some water in the car. I pushed it back in place and it never happened again.
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get off your horse already. youve got an issue, we get it. youre deciding that pontiac isnt for you, thats cool. its your decision, but, and i repeat, get off your horse already.
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