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Old 10-20-2007, 12:12 AM   #1
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I'm somewhat conservative... I don't believe in replacing things until they're officially broken. My current tires have plenty of tread, but for some reason don't grab the road worth a crap. This video is in the rain, and I never had it floored (except for e-brake park) because the dumb thing bounces into second gear and back down, which is HELL on the trans I'm sure.

So why does it bounce up to 3 grand, then back down, then back up, and so on and so forth? Doesn't do it as soon as rear wheels start moving.

I have a video on cell phone... but for whatever gay reason photobucket doesn't like it. Is this something limited by the PCM, or ABS, or what?
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Get them siped. My tires on the SLE were probably worse. With siping, they're right on par in wet, snow, and ice. Dry traction still sucks, but in adverse conditions they're great now.
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The problem with siping is that it makes the tire wear like crazy, and after a while, you can start losing chunks of tread. Better to just buy good tires in the first place.
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I do believe they're siped. They're cheap *** tires... and the sidewalls bow WAY out, which makes me believe they're shot. They're known as 'Super Star Radial G/T' tires. You can see little dryrot cracks and actually chunks missing from inbetween the treads.

Why is it when I try to spin them a bit at a standstill, and e-brake is on, when I stomp it, it goes up to 3 grand, then drops as if traction control is on minus the abs noise, then back up, then back down? Is that the engine computer suggestiing I should engage traction control? I know I've seen some bonnevilles lay some pretty long marks on video on yourtube, streetfire, and on here, and they didn't do any of that bouncing lol. On dry pavement, I get the speedo up til about 7 mph and tach up to about 3 and a half, but I think thats from POS torque converter and excessive stockness lol.

Not something I should be doing anyway... but if I'm getting new tires... I gotta get rid of these ones, right? I like powertrain warrantys...

EDIT: Here'* the lovely tires 2k mi ago. Check out the awesome sidewall support

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My current tires have plenty of tread, but for some reason don't grab the road worth a crap.......You can see little dryrot cracks and actually chunks missing from inbetween the treads

I think theres your problem right there. My 97 had some decent tread left on the tires when I bought the car, but because they sat for a bit on the lot, the tires were dry rotted and didnt grab too well. Since I didnt have money to replace, I just swapped on my Chromeies.
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Siping does NOT cause wear. It EXTENDS tread wear life. This is a common misconception that requires research to clear up. It doesn't sound like it would extend tread life, but it actually does. This is the reason many tire shops now suggest siping new tires that they sell, as it reduces their risk in tread wear warranties. You will also not lose chunks of tread if the siping is done correctly. Sprial-cut siping leaves tie-bars so the tread and areas between the sipes can support each other. I have put my tires through H E L L with siping to prove this point.

I'm not talking about molded-in siping during the tire manufacturing process. It'* not nearly as effective as aftermarket cut-siping.


http://www.lesschwab.com/siping.asp

http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/tireSiping.dos

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WHY DON'T MY TIRES COME SIPED FROM THE MANUFACTURER?
Our SIPING process doesn't remove ANY rubber from the tread allowing the individual SIPES to support each other. A molded SIPE leaves vacant gaps in the tread. SIPING creates edges without gaps.
To SIPE (in mass production) after the molding process would be too expensive and time consuming for the manufacturer..
However, if your tires are rotting, you'd be better off replacing them, or having them siped to get through the winter until you can buy new tires.

Siping is typically about $15 in my area per tire.
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So I'm thinking about just getting some fronts for now for the winter, then getting the rears around tax return time. I'm looking to spend about $80-$90 or less per tire (preferably less lol). But my big deal with these tires is the fact that you take any curve over 30 mph, and the passengers become highly entertained by the loud *** squealing coming from the front tires lol. Sounds like I'm driving like a bat outta hell, when I'm not. My Grand Marquis w/ upgraded sway bar kept up with my buddy'* 01 Audi TT w/ hard Kumho tires... heh this car first turn would probably under steer straight into a ditch if I tried that now.

So what are you guys recommendations for a new set of treads for the front? I would prefer being able to get the same tires again around tax return time. And, should I stay stock sizes or modify size? I have the 5 spoke rims.
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